EXIF68
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For the Price of this speaker you can get the magico A1.
look at this graph. It looks a little bit better.
look at this graph. It looks a little bit better.
Yes, it seems slightly more linear, but better or not, it develops in a person’s mind under the influence of his (room)acoustics, his electronics, his favorite musical style/recordings, and his own taste etc. Don't forget, these speakers are not studio monitors but also entertainment devices in the first place.For the Price of this speaker you can get the magico A1.
look at this graph. It looks a little bit better.View attachment 174868
The first part is the typical response you see in any audiophile audio forum. “Have you bought it and tried it at home, then don’t speak about it”. Sorry bro, wrong forum. You don’t need to listen to everything to understand how they would sound if you know how to interpret the graphs and has some experience with some reference grade stuff like Genelec. Just adding the eq on the genelecs to match the tune tots definitely gives a glimpse of that horrible soundSeriously, what on earth do you know about how Wilson speakers are sold? Have you ever been to a Wilson dealer demonstration? Have you ever owned Wilson? Ever had them at home? Know anyone who has bought them?
Contrary to what you believe is humanly possible, we bought a pair without knowing anything about the Wilson business, its engineers, its marketing, any product reviews or the speaker measurements. And I haven’t looked at any of this stuff since we bought them. I‘ve not heard anyone defending these speakers, if there was no demand for them they wouldn’t make them.
There will always be some market for everything, even if you price it $100k or even more too. People having money do care little about graphs and measurements but such people will only be few for sure. It's like the remainder of matrix equation. You can minimise the remainder but can't fully eliminate it. You see imperfections and anomalies are essential for progress and improvement. Treat these speakers a part of such remainder and anomalies.
There are lots of speakers in the same size at a tenth of the price (or lower) that measure / sound better than the Audio TuneTot. What I am most fascinated about is how selling the Wilson brand itself is.Magico A1 has sealed bass, and bass response is very similar to "plugged" TuneTot! Another similarity is the on-axis notch around 4kHz, which is compensated by wide radiation in that range. Depression above 10khz is typical for all Magicos, sad to say.
I would choose Magico A1, because of my sympathy for sealed designs, and esthetics. But on the other hand, I would never put 10.000€ for a pair of small bookshelf speakers! One can get maximum performance for those at around 5-800/pair, eg. Monitor Audio
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Is that your normal way to decide to spend 10k on things?we bought a pair without knowing anything about the Wilson business, its engineers, its marketing, any product reviews or the speaker measurements.
Same size?There are lots of speakers in the same size at a tenth of the price (or lower) that measure / sound better than the Audio TuneTot. What I am most fascinated about is how selling the Wilson brand itself is.
So just to clarify, you’ve never heard any Wilson speaker either at a dealer (which is where they are sold) or anywhere else?The first part is the typical response you see in any audiophile audio forum. “Have you bought it and tried it at home, then don’t speak about it”. Sorry bro, wrong forum. You don’t need to listen to everything to understand how they would sound if you know how to interpret the graphs and has some experience with some reference grade stuff like Genelec. Just adding the eq on the genelecs to match the tune tots definitely gives a glimpse of that horrible sound
For the rest I think you have your own answers:
“what on earth do you know about how Wilson speakers are sold? “
“bought a pair without knowing anything about the Wilson business, its engineers, its marketing, any product reviews or the speaker measurements”
“I‘ve not heard anyone defending these speakers, if there was no demand for them they wouldn’t make them.”
“we bought a pair without knowing anything about the Wilson business, its engineers, its marketing, any product reviews or the speaker measurements. “
“And I haven’t looked at any of this stuff since we bought them. “
- Really?? So you weren’t reading any of the posts in this thread until this point?
Not exactly the same shape and size of course but a regular small two way speaker.Same size?
Probably not.
which one is recommended?
At least on the Magico you get for similar money also a 6061-T6 aluminium enclosure with a total weight of 22 Kg per loudspeaker and a Beryllium tweeter, imho no comparison in value for money. https://www.audio-components.de/assets/Uploads/Magico-A1-stereoplay-11-2021.pdfMagico A1 has sealed bass, and bass response is very similar to "plugged" TuneTot! Another similarity is the on-axis notch around 4kHz, which is compensated by wide radiation in that range. Depression above 10khz is typical for all Magicos, sad to say.
I would choose Magico A1, because of my sympathy for sealed designs, and esthetics.
Not exactly the same shape and size of course but a regular small two way speaker.
Amir has tested many two-way speakers. Check it out and you will see.
This one measures about the same. A little EQ on it and it will be good. It's yummy for the wallet.
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However, with these, I do not really understand what Amir came up with in terms of levels of distortion. But if it's ok (the distortion), for the price, then it's going to be another yummy on my part.
Yes interesting if he could do it for all the speakers he evaluate. Then you can compare them properly. But still don't know how they preform in your room.The ASR in-room chart is still just a calculation, if Amir likes (or not) some speakers in his room, then why he not shows his actual measured in-room responses and then compare them to the calculated in-room responses? That would be interesting I think.
Yes.Is that your normal way to decide to spend 10k on things?
This is exactly why selling speakers in carparks from unmarked vans works...
What is better? Look at the in room response what could be improved? And again dont focus on the bass bump.It's x10 or x20 for speakers having better engeneering.
Mackie. Krk, presonus, Neumann, focal, infinity, jbl, revel, kef.....
Wake up!
cardboard speakers...? I do not know. They sound as they measure, you see the test.Wharfedale Diamond 220.There you get where you pay for, reasonable price.OK, I've expected to see Genelec or Neumann......
Lower range wharfedales? No, thanks.......sound like cardboard speakers.......
And again the PIR is not enough to show a great loudspeaker design if like in this case the poor directivity is compensated with a poor on-axis/LW response.What is better? Look at the in room response what could be improved? And again dont focus on the bass bump.
You can not read the graph? It said SAME WITH PORT CLOSED.You are not passing my question over and over again because you have not measured it with foam plugs and there is no graph of the née measurmen. Every thing you say on the top of it is just escaping with some stick man’s argument
Then you better stop posting. We already know your point of view....it doenst help anyoneThere is nothing constructive to say about this speaker. At its price is a horrible speaker. That can be the most constructive thing I can say about it.