Yorkshire Mouth
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I can't do much for you...
the situation is not difficult to understand...
Trust me, I fully understand the situation.
Going back to the discussion of Pro vs. Mini. Your post (and others) says no difference if connecting digitally--are you suggesting there's a difference in the analog out of these two?If connecting digitally there is no difference between mini and pro. That nonsense about jitter is just more audiophile FUD. In the test here, Toslink out achieved 140dB plus of SINAD, just as it should.
Consider the pro though, if you might want to take advantage of the PEQ room correction. I would.
The analog output is very comparable between the two for cause..it's the same just barely more neat on the pro but limited... the digital output is on the other hand a little more and the pro benefits from the chromecastGoing back to the discussion of Pro vs. Mini. Your post (and others) says no difference if connecting digitally--are you suggesting there's a difference in the analog out of these two?
My situation is I have a Pro and a Mini, for use in two different rooms. I'm ecstatic the Mini was given 10*2 PEQ and, more recently RC. So RC is no longer a differentiator AFAIK (unless the Mini's RC/PEQ isn't as good for some reason?). I currently have only one external DAC to use between them. So, one device gets digital out and one uses analog out/internal DAC. Which to use with analog out? Any difference between them--e.g., could the output circuitry of the Pro be more robust?
Yes, the pro and pro+ have a better DAC which reaches the 'audibly transparent' level. The one in the mini isn't as good.Going back to the discussion of Pro vs. Mini. Your post (and others) says no difference if connecting digitally--are you suggesting there's a difference in the analog out of these two?
My situation is I have a Pro and a Mini, for use in two different rooms. I'm ecstatic the Mini was given 10*2 PEQ and, more recently RC. So RC is no longer a differentiator AFAIK (unless the Mini's RC/PEQ isn't as good for some reason?). I currently have only one external DAC to use between them. So, one device gets digital out and one uses analog out/internal DAC. Which to use with analog out? Any difference between them--e.g., could the output circuitry of the Pro be more robust?
I believe the mini and Pro have the same DAC. It was the Pro+ that improved in that area.Yes, the pro and pro+ have a better DAC which reaches the 'audibly transparent' level. The one in the mini isn't as good.
When I said "same DAC" I meant just that, including all analogue components needed for a DAC. Not only the same DAC chip.Thanks. I was aware that the mini and the pro have the same DAC chip
Ok, thank you, and thanks also to @somebodyelse, for the replies and information.When I said "same DAC" I meant just that, including all analogue components needed for a DAC. Not only the same DAC chip.
As pointed out by @somebodyelse , the analogue performance of both devices is basically the same. So it is reasonable to assume they have copied the entire DAC circuit. Even if they haven't copied exactly, then any changes have not made a significant performance difference.
The pro has some extra connectivity options and capabilities, but if you won't use any of them there's no point paying the extra for the Pro. There's a table at the bottom of the Pro overview page so you can see what's missing. Squeezelite for LMS isn't on there, but I think all but the Mini have that too. Did they miss anything else?It sounds like these two devices are essentially the same for my purposes then, now that they've received all these upgrades over the years. Fascinating.
The big differentiator for a long time, which isn't in that table, was 10*2 PEQ and RC on the Pro. They had said the Mini couldn't do those due to low RAM and CPU grunt. Then they added 10*2 PEQ on the Mini. Then they added RC on the Mini. So here we are with two very capable devices, with pretty much just the connectivity differences that you point out.The pro has some extra connectivity options and capabilities, but if you won't use any of them there's no point paying the extra for the Pro. There's a table at the bottom of the Pro overview page so you can see what's missing. Squeezelite for LMS isn't on there, but I think all but the Mini have that too. Did they miss anything else?
Better DAC performance. ADC clips at 2V instead of 1.2V but otherwise has similar performance to the Pro and Mini. The ADC can also do up to 24/192 instead of being fixed at 16/48, but it doesn't have the performance to make that really useful.The bigger question to me has always been the place of the pro vs pro plus.