mediocrebutarrogant
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Ok I got 24/192 over optical with a local file
Ok I got 24/192 over optical with a local file
I did get it to work but not over tidalSince when does optimal = recommended? And MQA is a lame duck... just wait a while. Few if any totally new DACs are supporting it. It's like DSD: it was an idea when we had PCM bandwidth and media limitations. Now, not so much. No matter how tricky codecs get, lossy codecs are lossy.
Also, there seem to be many DACs that can do 24/192 over USB; it seems not so many can achieve it via optical.
I came across to Amazon's guidelines on implementing Amazon login. If the companion app uses Amazon's official Login with Amazon SDK, the login flow is supposed to either use the system browser or delegating to the Amazon Shopping app, such that the user is not required to login again if the Shopping app is already logged in.I tried linking an Amazon account to Wiim Mini, and I was disappointed that the app opens an embedded browser for logging into the Amazon account. This kind of setup is insecure, because the app is able to capture passwords from embedded browsers and use the Amazon account for purposes it was not intended.
Last time I tried, Wiim's app didn't use the system browser and didn't implement delegating to Amazon Shopping.This method authorizes the user in one of the following ways:
This secure context is available through the Amazon Shopping app on Android devices. Amazon devices running Fire OS–for example, Kindle tablets and Fire TV devices–always use this option even if there is no Amazon Shopping app on the device. Because of this, if the user is already signed in to the Amazon Shopping app, this API skips the sign-in page, leading to a Single Sign On experience for the user.
- Switches to the system browser, and then lets the user sign in and consent to the requested information.
- Switches to web view in a secure context to let the user sign in and consent to the requested information.
Authorize an AVS Device Through a Companion App
Not inside wiim but on your apple you can use airplay but limited to 48khz.Does wiim support Apple Music?
You would guess then that WiiM’s implementation of Amazon Music HD would fail Amazon’s certification which, given its public release, wouldn’t appear to be the case. Have you asked WiiM directly why they apparently don’t conform?I came across to Amazon's guidelines on implementing Amazon login. If the companion app uses Amazon's official Login with Amazon SDK, the login flow is supposed to either use the system browser or delegating to the Amazon Shopping app, such that the user is not required to login again if the Shopping app is already logged in.
Last time I tried, Wiim's app didn't use the system browser and didn't implement delegating to Amazon Shopping.
I sent the same information as feedback.You would guess then that WiiM’s implementation of Amazon Music HD would fail Amazon’s certification which, given its public release, wouldn’t appear to be the case. Have you asked WiiM directly why they apparently don’t conform?
Yeah. With my Android, I get a selection of EQ filters, but I just set mine at 'flat.'Wiim app for iOs now has 10 band EQ
Thanks for the review Amir! I just purchased this based off of the Toslink output being a good performer, and it does work really well.This is a review and detailed measurements of the WiiM Mini Wifi/Bluetooth streamer. It is on kind loan from a member and is on sale on Amazon for US $89.
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As you can see the former factor is a "hockey puck." An included phone charger needs to be used to power the unit over USB-C. It did not work so when I used my computer USB port.
Initial setup is by connecting using Bluetooth and the available App. I connected using BT but the Android app would not see it. I had to shut off BT and turn it back on for it to recognize it. While this is disappointing, I have had similar issues with other streamers. Once there, the app was reliable and gave me the option of configuring Toslink output for bit exact and its maximum sample rate which I appreciated. It also updated the device on first connection.
WiiM Mini Measurements
My first tests were using Aiplay 2.0 as initiated by my Roon player. As usual, Airplay itself becomes the bottleneck as we see with Toslink digital out:
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Not sure if Airplay forced the sample rate to change to 48 kHz or the device did it. Using it with analog out we get:
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While we are beating the company spec, performance is lackluster as is typically the case in this category of product. Noise performance is not great either:
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There is however good news if you use the App and output over Toslink:
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This is the best you can do with 24-bit dithered signal. At 141 dB, your limit then will be what your DAC can do as even state of the are units have a SINAD of 123 dB.
Using the same signal but now testing the analog output we get:
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So just a hair better than using Airplay. The internal DAC as expected, is a mass market product than high performance.
Using the same for jitter we have:
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Noise floor is fairly high which can hide a lot of sins.
Since my analyzer can't control streaming devices, these are all the tests I can reasonably run. I think we have a good picture though.
Edit: by request, here is the frequency response from the internal DAC:
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Edit WiiM Mini ADC Analog In Measurements
Feeding the Mini analog input and capturing the same, gives this output:
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Performance is dominated by distortion. Switching to Toslink out to eliminate effect of the DAC we basically get the same result:
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So just like the DAC, this is a mass market ADC implementation. Good enough for common uses though but I would not route the clean output of any DAC through it.
Conclusions
If you use the App and Toslink output, you basically have a transparent wireless link to your stereo. Connect it to your favorite DAC and your performance will only be limited by the rest of your system. For me personally lack of Roon support is a big deal. I don't want to use their App to play or stream content. I hope the company looks at supporting Roon endpoint. Analog output of the unit is just OK.
Personally I can't recommend the WiiM Mini due to lack of support for Roon player. That aside, it is great to see bit exact digital output in a budget streamer allowing you to improve its performance to any level you want using your own DAC.
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I got a response:You would guess then that WiiM’s implementation of Amazon Music HD would fail Amazon’s certification which, given its public release, wouldn’t appear to be the case. Have you asked WiiM directly why they apparently don’t conform?
Your suggestion is very good, but there are some limitations to integrate Login With Amazon SDK into WiiM Mini. Now in order to support multiple products that obtain different Amazon Music configurations on WiiM Home app, Login With Amazon SDK is not compatible for us.
Otherwise, maybe we can only use Login With Amazon SDK for WiiM Mini and use Login with Companion Website for other products.
Best,
WiiM Support
I got a response:
Your suggestion is very good, but there are some limitations to integrate Login With Amazon SDK into WiiM Mini. Now in order to support multiple products that obtain different Amazon Music configurations on WiiM Home app, Login With Amazon SDK is not compatible for us.
Otherwise, maybe we can only use Login With Amazon SDK for WiiM Mini and use Login with Companion Website for other products.
Best,
WiiM Support
I just asked Support about this, and this was their response;Does wiim support Apple Music?
I think people forgetting that this is $89? That’s roughly 10 trips to McDonald’s for one person (not that i eat there lol), or 20 trips to Starbucks if you’re me.The WiiM streamer for a Tidal user is not yet an optimal solution. It’s convenient yes , but at price of sound quality.
a. I can’t get it to play 24 bit 192 on my topping e50 best I can get is 24 bit 96 even though e50 over optical is capable of 24/192
b. It does not sound as good as usb to Mac to e50 with full Mqa rendering
c. My post said it’s not yet worthy, once they allow Mqa pass through I’m sure it reaches the potential, but as of now it’s a compromise to sound quality for both roon and tidal users
My views were before latest firmware upgrade, I’m really enjoying the WiiM now that I learned to make it singI think people forgetting that this is $89? That’s roughly 10 trips to McDonald’s for one person (not that i eat there lol), or 20 trips to Starbucks if you’re me.
I just did an A/B test yesterday going from the Wiim toslink out to a topping d30 pro dac, and then I put my smartphone via USB into the same dac. Once they were level matched no one was going to be able to distinguish the difference. Try it and you’ll see what I mean, and if I thought I was giving up any sound quality I would send mine back to Amazon.
MQA support is supposed to be coming next month, they’re active talking with Apple Music about implementing their service also. vTuner ready, it’ll stream your owner/downloaded music off your mobile device, Plus there’s quite a few other applications that it does.
I don’t use Roon so it’s not a problem for me, but I understand it would be better with it.
Before this I was using a HiBy dap USB to my DAC, now I could probably sell it, because it doesn’t sound any better than the Wiim. Personally I think it’s a great device, and what are you going to replace it with for under 100 bucks?! What about $200?
Did I mention customer service? They answered three questions in less than 12 hours for me.
That’s great! I didn’t mean to single you out. I just think it’s a great little streamer, not only for the money, I think it would be a deal for twice that money. Although I was surprised at how small it was. Enjoy the rest of your day.My views were before latest firmware upgrade, I’m really enjoying the WiiM now that I learned to make it sing