And... was still being sold on the Wharfedale website less than a month ago. Out of stock now, but still listed.Speaker is being sold still. There are two in stock being sold by Music Direct on Amazon.
And... was still being sold on the Wharfedale website less than a month ago. Out of stock now, but still listed.Speaker is being sold still. There are two in stock being sold by Music Direct on Amazon.
That wasn't my point but that the grille improved the diirectivity even on the Linton. By the way the Linton uses a 5 inch mid driver so from diirectivity error point of view it theoretically wouldn't be better or different to the Denton you tested which also has a 5 inch midwoofer.Linton is a 3-way so doesn't have the underlying directivity error that this 2-way speaker does with no waveguide or midrange driver.
The problem was you probably didn't even know about this when testing it due to the lack of some previous product research. Also for both completeness and mono testing this mono configuration would have been sensible to be measured and listened too. I also wouldn't put any bets on how many use them in more than a single unit configuration as I have seen either both in my neighbourhood and in the web.Hardly anyone uses SONOS speakers as stereo. So don't go telling me I should double the test time to measure it that way.
I know what your point was and that is how I responded. The directivity error here is due to gap in sizes of the drivers. Grill isn't going to fix that. With Linton, the bit of filtering the grill provided may have changed the response of the midrange enough to make a difference. That doesn't apply here or people would use grills to deal with directivity.That wasn't my point but that the grille improved the diirectivity even on the Linton. By the way the Linton uses a 5 inch mid driver so from diirectivity error point of view it theoretically wouldn't be better or different to the Denton you tested which also has a 5 inch midwoofer.
What are you talking about? I have known SONOS since the company started as we worked with them to deploy our compression technology in their products. At Madrona, we sell a ton of them. This is why I said with confidence that your point about stereo deployment is for birds. No way is that a common useful scenario for any lifestyle product. They are almost always deployed as a single speaker. And with the benefit of side firing tweeters to give larger impression than that of a single speaker. So i focused my testing in this regard.The problem was you probably didn't even know about this when testing it due to the lack of some previous product research. Also for both completeness and mono testing this mono configuration would have been sensible to be measured and listened too. I also wouldn't put any bets on how many use them in more than a single unit configuration as I have seen either both in my neighbourhood and in the web.
In some UK shops, the M16 is currently on sale at £599, which is only £250 more than these 80th Anniversary Dentons. It's still a leap, just a lot less than $900.The M16 costs $900 so more money than Wharfedale but still, if you are going to buy a speaker, get a proper one.
I don't know exactly what @moonthink experienced. After using about 4 dozen+ speakers in testing (and plenty of PEQ play) some speakers did just resonate with me and were more 'fun'. To me that implies more toe tapping and feeling the music vs analytical. Ultimately I surely would not be able to say exactly why in terms that 'classically objective' folks will likely think highly of.I have zero experience with any Wharfedale speaker, but I've seen this phrase in lots of places and want to know what the heck does "fun to listen to" mean anyway? I've heard loads of speakers in my day and have never thought this about any of them. "Sounds good", "Sounds bad", well sure. Lots of music is "fun to listen to", but speakers???? Just don't get it...
Yah, obviously a severe edge will create severe edge diffraction.I take it neither the owner nor Amir have seen the measurements of the Linton? Yes there is still a directivity error but the response becomes significantly more linear.
Big shame about this oversight and likely an unfair assessment of this speaker
Aura 2 is more trusted.It's pity they degrade the trust earned from Linton. I chose revel because of trust..
What do you mean exactly?I take it neither the owner nor Amir have seen the measurements of the Linton? Yes there is still a directivity error but the response becomes significantly more linear.
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Big shame about this oversight and likely an unfair assessment of this speaker
Not really, again, the sizes of the mid and tweeter of the Linton is same to the size of the midwoofer and tweeter of the Denton, so the theoretical directivity mismatch if they used the same crossover frequency to the tweeter would be very similar (the baffle size has of course also some impact so there would be no reason why the one grille has impact on the directivity and the other doesn't. Obviously in this case he diirectivity of the 80 has due to probably different crossover a worse directivity mismatch without the grille than the Linton but to say that its grille would have no impact withour measuring it while the grille of the Linton clearly has a positive one isn't correctI know what your point was and that is how I responded. The directivity error here is due to gap in sizes of the drivers. Grill isn't going to fix that. With Linton, the bit of filtering the grill provided may have changed the response of the midrange enough to make a difference. That doesn't apply here or people would use grills to deal with directivity.
Depends on distribution in your area, but here in Europe, taking sales-prices into account:Alternatives with better measurements to denton 80th at 400$?
Well, but in that case use two amps and turn down the gain a little on the one that powers up the tweeter plus have the grill on and it shouldn't look so bad. Not optimal, but it should be better.It was an audiophile marketing practice that I began seeing about 30 years ago. The internal crossover cannot be defeated. The advantage compared to typical single binding post pairs was that different wattage amplifiers having the same gain factor could be associated with the different driver groups, thus if the woofer/midwoofer’s amplifier clipped it would not subject the tweeter to full scale harmonic distortion.
Wharfedale Denton 80th Anniversary Speaker Measurements
As usual, we start with our suite of frequency response measurements:
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It looks nice! But, and don't take offense now, don't the NAD 33050 LE (and you too) "deserve" a slightly better speaker? Maybe the newer Denton 85th? Presumably, note I'm only guessing now, they are a better Denton model. Maybe not such a big step up in performance? , but still.Amir, thanks for the measurements of this speaker. Based on the excellent measurements of the Linton and my experience with the Diamond series, I expected better from Wharfedale. However. I must admit that I bought these primarily for their looks and for that, they serve their purpose very well.
For additional context, this is how they measure in-room at MLP with the grills on using REW's RTA method; it seems to closely match the predicted in-room measurements above.
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And this is how they look in the bedroom (again, I primarily purchased them due to their looks and vintage style). I think they look the part in my bedroom alongside the NAD 33050LE.
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I haven't looked into the Denton 85 yet, but when critical listening is on the agenda, I have Revel and Monitor Audio setups in other rooms. To be frank, in the bedroom, the Denton 80 and 3050LE are way overkill. I would be just as happy using a Marshall Acton III. It would be more convenient too...It looks nice! But, and don't take offense now, don't the NAD 33050 LE (and you too) "deserve" a slightly better speaker? Maybe the newer Denton 85th? Presumably, note I'm only guessing now, they are a better Denton model. Maybe not such a big step up in performance? , but still.