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TRUTHEAR x Crinacle Zero IEM Review
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SalutaryGraveness
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According to this tool
Rohsa's Workshop | Find Similar IEM/Headphones
The iems that are most closely tuned to the Harman target are:
Softears RS10
Truthear Zero
ThieAudio Monarch Mk2
I am not sure what kind of conclusions we are supposed to draw from that, but it is interesting nevertheless.
Rohsa's Workshop | Find Similar IEM/Headphones
The iems that are most closely tuned to the Harman target are:
Softears RS10
Truthear Zero
ThieAudio Monarch Mk2
I am not sure what kind of conclusions we are supposed to draw from that, but it is interesting nevertheless.
oleg87
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unless we have very different ideas of what "bright" means, surely you've gotta have something swapped...
(Curiously, I tried it out and my independently tuned-to-my-idea-of-neutral EQ is sonically nearly identical to Chromaticism's in the treble... )
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Are you sure you entered the filters correctly? It looks like one of the filters isn't working correctly.
Here is mine viewed from PEACE:
And here it is viewed within Wavelet:
Nope, my bad! The last filter was somehow set to Shelf instead of PEQ. Will need to redo the listening tests, but certainly explains the brightness
I'll edit my posts.Well, now I've tried it as well out of curiosity. Sounds very smooth indeed, similar to AM radio.
I do indeed. Keywords: innumerable, unpredictable. Anyway, unless you got someone else to read and enter in the EQ profiles, you're not blinding yourself to the relative frequency response between the profiles, which is what actually would matter when comparing EQs.
Sounds about right, as AM radio only reproduced sound frequencies up to 5 kHz. So it's a great EQ if you want all your music to sound like it's coming out of an old lo-fi radio
oleg87
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Subjectively, I perceive about the same amount of treble with my Senn HD600 EQd to Oratory's Harman curve preset - which does sound more-or-less neutral to me.
I wonder what the distribution of preferences regarding the concha gain component of the overall ear gain with IEMs is...
Best to look at AutoEQ's rankings (scroll down for IEMs) for this, as they use Sean Olive's predicted preference rating, which is not only a metric that signifies adherence to the Harman target, but actually has scientifically demonstrated correlation (91%) with actual preference ratings given to frequency responses by listeners in blind tests (what is it with people using metrics that don't have demonstrated correlation with audibility/preference?). Unlike the above link, it includes Oratory's measurements which use the same coupler as Harman used when developing their IEM target, and so will result in a more accurate estimation of the preference rating (and so adherence to the target) then Crinacle's, who uses a knock-off coupler.
Interesting to note the breakdown of the variables as calculated by AutoEQ contributing to the Truthear Zero's predicted preference rating of a very good, but not excellent 81%, in particular the slope of the logarithimc regression fit of the error (i.e. overall spectral tilt) of 0.31, which indicates a brightish tilt (0 being neutral, <0 warmer, >0 brighter), which chimes (ouch!) with many people finding them somewhat 'shouty'.
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Yeah. I guess it will depend on the program being used. With both PEACE and Wavelet, it is simply loading a file and flipping a switch. You will see the filters appear, which you could blind yourself to I suppose, but you don't have to enter them.
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Lol, I don't get the AM radio comparison. There is still a neutral extension to 15 kHz.Sounds about right, as AM radio only reproduced sound frequencies up to 5 kHz. So it's a great EQ if you want all your music to sound like it's coming out of an old lo-fi radio
It just doesn't climb a mountain before getting there, but goes in a straight line, audibly speaking.
? What's the point of your response to me?
I just put my subjective impressions.
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Where is the crossfeed setting? I have one and haven't seen it.
Robbo99999
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I think it's ok that people try your EQ but they shouldn't expect it to be an improvement, and you shouldn't push it as one either for the reasons we've been discussing time & again - there might be some people that prefer it, but don't be saying bluntly that "it's an improvement" or "an improvement for most people" as there's no founding or logic in you saying that and misleading people, again as we've already discussed time & again.
Robbo99999
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Yeah, that did make me try to rack my brain for how he might be experiencing that!This is very funny as this EQ cuts a ton of high frequencies compared to Maiky’s which is 100% Harman.
Robbo99999
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Yeah, could well be!Cognitive bias claims its latest victim
EDIT: Ha, ok I read all the posts now, he put in the last filter wrong.
Ha, that's a good one!Sounds about right, as AM radio only reproduced sound frequencies up to 5 kHz. So it's a great EQ if you want all your music to sound like it's coming out of an old lo-fi radio
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That was for Robbo. Thank you for sharing your impressions, they align with mine and were helpful.
SalutaryGraveness
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Oh that's more interesting. I will have to take a look
. Has anybody applied that model to Amir's measurements
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