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Topping PA3s Review (Desktop Amplifier)

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Which transfer function graph do you mean? Please share a screenshot
I think, I assume Howard416 means this graph:
 
@Music1969 Many music lovers and members of the forum are confused by this graph... Although I just can’t catch these distortions by ear. Compared to other amplifiers. Maybe the ears aren't the same anymore. I'm getting old.I'm just over 60 years old.
 
@Music1969 Many music lovers and members of the forum are confused by this graph... Although I just can’t catch these distortions by ear. Compared to other amplifiers. Maybe the ears aren't the same anymore. I'm getting old.I'm just over 60 years old.
I rather compare this with other amps.
And I'm also 60+ :)
 

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@Music1969 Many music lovers and members of the forum are confused by this graph...
Yes it is not as clean as this one below but you have to pay more $ (this is the reliable model not the Discrete model with problems)

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I have tried many cheap amps like Tripath, TPA3118, TPA3255 and still the MA12070 sounds best in HF.
But ofcourse if you pay more you get better HF.
 
Of course, distortion of signals above 10kHz is inaudible, since the first harmonic is already 20kHz.
 
Somebody should realy explain what that Power Versus Distorsion means in hearing.
 
You mean *harmonic* distortion of signals... is inaudible.
correct, but being single frequency (at a time) test, that test pretty much only has harmonic distortion.
 
correct, but being single frequency (at a time) test, that test pretty much only has harmonic distortion.
I understand. What doesn’t make sense to me is that in what seems to be every other case, an amp that does not test well in those sweeps does not do well in the multi tone. But this one does.
 
I understand. What doesn’t make sense to me is that in what seems to be every other case, an amp that does not test well in those sweeps does not do well in the multi tone. But this one does.
Not sure I've seen that - do you have a specific example?
 
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Or maybe it's just Amir mislabeling the chart? Because "17 bits" for the NC252MP has most of the stuff down around -110 dB but the same 17 bits for the PA3s has most of the stuff at -100 dB... interesting.

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Hi all, I'm trying to use a PA3s in my car, and I'm wondering if I am okay to feed it DC 24V instead of the original PSU's 26V.
I can think of below 4 options if I do that. Could anyone give me an advice?

a. It will work normally with a slightly less(something like 24/26) peak output. No harm will be done to the amp.
b. It will work but it will damage the hardware.
c. Nothing happens. The amp wouldn't even turn on.
d. The amp will catch fire or explode.

For any other case than 'a', I'll have to buy a 220V AC inverter which I don't really want to..
I would appreciate your opinion very much. Thanks!

Your car has a 24V outlet/supply?
 
Hi all, I'm trying to use a PA3s in my car, and I'm wondering if I am okay to feed it DC 24V instead of the original PSU's 26V.
I can think of below 4 options if I do that. Could anyone give me an advice?

a. It will work normally with a slightly less(something like 24/26) peak output. No harm will be done to the amp.
b. It will work but it will damage the hardware.
c. Nothing happens. The amp wouldn't even turn on.
d. The amp will catch fire or explode.

For any other case than 'a', I'll have to buy a 220V AC inverter which I don't really want to..
I would appreciate your opinion very much. Thanks!
Is your car's battery voltage 24V?
The PA3s power supply voltage can be used up to 26V, but as the engine speed increases, the battery terminal voltage may exceed 27V.
Well, I don't think the amplifier will be damaged, but please check the rise in terminal voltage with a voltmeter.
Also, be sure to connect the amplifier's power source directly from the battery terminal. Otherwise you will suffer from generator noise.
 
Hi all, I'm trying to use a PA3s in my car, and I'm wondering if I am okay to feed it DC 24V instead of the original PSU's 26V.
I can think of below 4 options if I do that. Could anyone give me an advice?

a. It will work normally with a slightly less(something like 24/26) peak output. No harm will be done to the amp.
b. It will work but it will damage the hardware.
c. Nothing happens. The amp wouldn't even turn on.
d. The amp will catch fire or explode.

For any other case than 'a', I'll have to buy a 220V AC inverter which I don't really want to..
I would appreciate your opinion very much. Thanks!
My full expectation would be a, with aprox 0.7dB lower output.

If it were mine, I'd be sufficiently confident to just do it - while accepting the very small risk I am wrong.

I can't see any way b or d would happen.


EDIT - and taking note of @Toku s warning - the main chip has an absolute maximum rating of 27.5V beyond which it can be permanently damaged. You need to be sure that voltage is never exceeded - including from surge/transient conditions.
 
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Thanks for your reply. It's 12V and I explained further in my response to restorer-john just above.

"No, it has only 12V. But I can easily find a laptop charger that can be connected to a cigarette lighter jack. The problem is, they only support up to 24V - couldn't find anything higher."

So I'm trying to use the 12V cigarette jack in my car for the power source. Since it's (probably) not directly connected to the generator or battery itself, my guess is I wouldn't have to worry about the voltage fluctuation or generator noise you mentioned. May I ask your opinion about this?
There is no problem under those conditions of use. As long as there are no problems with the specifications of the 24V DC/DC converter you are using, you should be fine. A common problem is converter noise mixed into the PA3s output. The only way to know this is to actually try it.
 
I just received my PA3s. It seems quite powerful, and the sound is clean and clear (even via my KEF Q100 speakers, which aren't the best). My little gripe with it is in terms of usability: the speaker wire binding posts on my unit have the through holes all going up-down, instead of sideways or at least at a 45 degree angle; and the holes are tiny. These factors make it painful to wire without mini banana plugs. In particular, the black wires at the bottom tend to cause the rear of the unit to be jacked up a bit off the desk unless you've got *really* soft wires.

In contrast, the S.M.S.L. DA-6 has much more sensible speaker wire binding posts: bigger through-holes and the through-holes are at 45 degree angles.
 
Could anyone help me showing how to disassembele this amplifier? I am quite an expert on repairs in audio, but this thing got me..... I removed the back panel screws, the board starts to slide out, but after about two inches is is stuck. How on the earth can I disconnect the front panel to PCB cable??
 
Could anyone help me showing how to disassembele this amplifier? I am quite an expert on repairs in audio, but this thing got me..... I removed the back panel screws, the board starts to slide out, but after about two inches is is stuck. How on the earth can I disconnect the front panel to PCB cable??
This is for the PA3, but perhaps is useful for the PA3s as well

Post in thread 'Topping PA3: subjective impressions'
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...g-pa3-subjective-impressions.7642/post-573109
 
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