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The founding of ASR

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We past stereophile last year. I just looked and they are a bit ahead of us but not in a material way.

The ones that are pretty far ahead are head-fi, AVS, and DIYAudio. The first two are 10X more busy than us so we have a long way to go.

Ah, you mean by membership. In terms of quality, being scientific, pertinence to a hifi enthusiast (like me) and the technical knowledge of members among other things, ASR takes the cake IMO. I cannot emphasize pertinence enough - guiding buying decisions saves people money and time. ASR has also exposed manufacturers and is slowly establishing which of them produce well-engineered products - this is such high value content. Extending this to speakers now has taken ASR to a whole new level.
 

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Bob is one of the few members that were/are from the other forum.

What was the other forum? Any threads there that aren't captured here that are a good read for objectivists?
 

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What was the other forum? Any threads there that aren't captured here that are a good read for objectivists?
Most of the tech articles there were written by Don and I and I have copies of them here now.
 

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@BillH , what a great idea for a thread - thanks!

@amirm , thanks for the back story - I had no idea; fascinating. I'm also glad to hear that this site's size, traffic and activity level is so robust. Especially with the final demise of AudiophileStyle as a place with worthwhile content, I really value this community and am grateful to you and everyone else who's active here.
 

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What was the other forum? Any threads there that aren't captured here that are a good read for objectivists?

Seems to be the "What's Best Forum" but browsing there quickly showed quite a few banned members and cable advertisers.

I'd rather pay a couple bucks a month to keep this ad free than have to go somewhere compromised by having to appeal to companies that frankly sell snake oil.

Glad the important stuff is here now: Speaker and audio device measurements! This is to speakers as InnerFidelity WAS to headphones.

I miss Tyll.
 

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Bob is one of the few members that were/are from the other forum.

I was there. I might have been FasterThanEver on that forum rather than OldListener.

There was a small group of exceptionally nasty people who were banished once and later were welcomed back. No facts but no shortage of assertions and then venom when those assertions were challenged. I got in some unpleasant exchanges with them.
 

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The only way you'll get close to AVS is testing more AVRs and having a (more structured) multichannel forum subsection or a sister forum called HTSR.

The only way youll get close to HeadFi is, well.. you won't. They arent science people. I'd like to think the surround sound guys are though, being the whole pro audio and rack mount type etc

They're all different for various diversified expanded crowds, and with similarities and reciprocities and synchronicities and diversities and universities and sometimes discontinuities.
Between numbers and people there's a whole lot of space still to conquest in our Lilliputian galaxy.

Our planet is extraordinary beautiful; it's worth to protect and the people on it...ecologically, acclimatically, acoustically, economically, sanitationally, equilaterally, ...all ally from all life's alleys.
 

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They're all different for various diversified expanded crowds, and with similarities and reciprocities and synchronicities and diversities and universities and sometimes discontinuities.
Between numbers and people there's a whole lot of space still to conquest in our Lilliputian galaxy.

Our planet is extraordinary beautiful; it's worth to protect and the people on it...ecologically, acclimatically, acoustically, economically, sanitationally, equilaterally, ...all ally from all life's alleys.

Nice! But maybe not all the people ... :oops:
 
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I was there. I might have been FasterThanEver on that forum rather than OldListener.
I got banned from there simply for being Amir's friend when he was leaving. But it was no loss. LOL
 

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Thanks. I’m familiar with Sagan’s vid, but watched it again. I’m down with saving the planet and my reply was meant to be humorous.

That said, if a certain someone who doesn’t care about this planet or the people on it doesn’t make it, I’ll get over it. :p
 

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snip............
Membership and traffic heavily grew, proving that original content like reviews is key to attracting and retaining membership. Just having a forum where people come and argue with opinion alone has no where near the same traction. Such sites are dime a dozen.

This led to another one liner by a member, @Blumlein 88 I think, saying something like: "we are spending so much time and energy testing things in audio that don't matter as much, while not testing what matters a lot (speakers)." This was last summer. I decided I needed to potentially tackle speakers too. The cadillac system just as Audio Precision was the Klippel Near-field scanner. Alas, that made the Audio Precision look cheap in comparison. Months of pondering eventually led me to make that investment too last fall. The system arrived just before Christmas and here we are.

Today, we enjoy a position that is way ahead of vast majority of audio forums. Only a few sites do better than us. It is a group effort, fueled by much expense and time investment on my part to keep advancing it. Meanwhile the kind commentary and financial support of many members keeps me going.

Last year I polled on us using ads and other sources of funding and the overall view was negative so I have not gone there. Donations from members and my own money are the main currency to make this all work.
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Yes, I said something very much like that. I think the move to testing speakers is going very well. Better than I thought it might in some ways. Of course Amir footed the bill to make it happen much sooner. And of course it is somewhat chaotic at times. It is interesting in ways all the rest of the gear isn't because everything else is so good. Speakers are at the remaining frontier to great sound. Kudos to Amir for having the vision as well as pushing to make it happen.
 

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I don't think I have ever written it down. So here is a brief one.

Before forming this forum, I co-started another one with a "subjectivist." The idea was to appeal to both camps in audio. It worked for good number of years. Then the wheels came off with my partner getting disillusioned with my views on audio and expressed the same in the forum. The situation got quite ugly behind the scenes and in the forum. It became clear that what I needed to exist in a forum would no longer be something that could be done there.

Thomas was a member there and we had built a relationship. In one of the messages back and forth he said something to the effect of "do you really want to spend your energy fight this?" That was all I needed to radically change directions and think about starting this forum.

My original thought was to start a forum were we review published literature and research in audio and discuss that. You may have seen some of my early efforts on this. We got some subjectivist members and the usual food fights started and went on for a year or so.

Meanwhile I had this Audio Precision analyzer gathering dust at home. I decided to use it to measure some audio tweaks (USB filters and such). That went on for a bit but then someone asked if I would measure a cheap DAC with it. I said sure and started to buy and test DACs in the $100 range. Little did I know that there was a huge audience there for such products, one that was far larger than high-end audio I was focused on in the previous forum. So I bought more and more products to test.

Then the next phase started where people started to loan me gear to test. With many of them being USB devices, I had to buy a new Audio Precision analyzer which set me back near $30,000. At that point, "I was all in" and I decided I needed to do this seriously and committed to very high rate of reviews (almost one a day).

Membership and traffic heavily grew, proving that original content like reviews is key to attracting and retaining membership. Just having a forum where people come and argue with opinion alone has no where near the same traction. Such sites are dime a dozen.

This led to another one liner by a member, @Blumlein 88 I think, saying something like: "we are spending so much time and energy testing things in audio that don't matter as much, while not testing what matters a lot (speakers)." This was last summer. I decided I needed to potentially tackle speakers too. The cadillac system just as Audio Precision was the Klippel Near-field scanner. Alas, that made the Audio Precision look cheap in comparison. Months of pondering eventually led me to make that investment too last fall. The system arrived just before Christmas and here we are.

Today, we enjoy a position that is way ahead of vast majority of audio forums. Only a few sites do better than us. It is a group effort, fueled by much expense and time investment on my part to keep advancing it. Meanwhile the kind commentary and financial support of many members keeps me going.

Last year I polled on us using ads and other sources of funding and the overall view was negative so I have not gone there. Donations from members and my own money are the main currency to make this all work.

As to panthers, I thought my equipment pictures were too boring. So I thought of what to put next the gear and remembered that my wife had given me these Pink Panthers years ago when the movies were popular. I dug them out and put them next to the gear with secret meaning which is now in the open.

I think that is it. Let me know if you have questions.
Umm, I could tell you all what really happened but unfortunately the NDA I signed prevents this.

There's a FBI file , I really can't say anymore.
 

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I've enjoyed my time here to date. As I posted elsewhere, I like the activity level here... always plenty of new stuff to see/read.
Most of the 'classic' hifi forums (fora?) are dying off -- and I personally have no interest in using social media platforms for hifi discussion (or for anything else, for that matter) -- Luddite that I am.

EDIT: oops, that was a bit too me-centric.
Thanks to all of y'all here for a fun place.
 
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