Tekton M-Lore Speaker Review

[Ze Frog]

He stopped it post that incident with Eric. That was part of the video he post.

Hmmm... that's the kind of thing an influencer masquerading as a reviewer would say though. I bet he's still getting something from these companies. Lol, maybe it's my age and I'm becoming extremely cynical.

 

[doug s.]

I have no truck with such people, especially now when I don't NEED to soft peddle so much, but I'm still interested in the products and still feel the subject of *this* review would balance fairly well bass to upper mids in a smaller room, close to the wall behind to aid bass level. Sure it's not as soooooper-smoooooth as a more modern speaker but I never thought that was the point with a model like this. I repeat that the Eminence 8" driver isn't a very cheap far eastern plastic-chassis plastic-cone type as I remember a UK made stand mount costing around £1200pr once used (with a seriously nasty 'squeak' near crossover) for a few years before a substantial revision..

maybe the speakers sound fantastic. but i, and many others aren't interested in supporting a mfr who acts the way this mfr has acted. as i have previously stated, and as have so many others. doesn't mean you have to have the same feelings about it. it's a free country. at least for now, it is...

doug s.

 

[AdamG]

adam, i do not want to go against site rules. (i was already castigated once, for using swear words, when i was not aware that it was unacceptable.)

but, how do you distinguish between insults, and facts that happen to be unflattering? i'm not trying to be difficult; seriously, i want to know. because, it seems to me that many (most?) of these insults are in actuality, simple truthful statements of fact.

thanks,

doug s.

You can take legitimate shots at his ideas, concepts, products and services. Attack the item or service and not the person. That speaker is crap. Fine. You are crap. Not. It your comment is about the person then it might be an insult. Just reverse the situation and ask yourself if someone said that to or about you would you feel insulted? Argue the idea and not the person.

 

[musicforcities]

I got bored with his channel and unsubscribed. A repetition of a theme.

Yeah, it’s very repetitive and fluffy and once I saw a video I that endorsed the non-measurable difference in cables I hit that unsubscribe button pronto.

And to me the guy come off like he may sell waterbeds in another life. Not my thing.

I mean at least z-reviews celebrates his unreliable douxhe-ness. Not an insult. He revels in it.

 

[dday84]

Double hearsay.

That could and should be the name for the next Tekton speaker !

 

[Somafunk]

I don't think money is changing hands in exchange for reviews. Instead, there is symbiotic relationship. Reviewer gets loaned gear. Produces content. Gets views and ad money. Company gets nice marketing in exchange. So they informationals are created with "in kind" compensation.

Or with some reviewers they get to keep the products, then have “yard sales” where they to sell them online to the highest bidder such as Z Reviews/in ear fetish

 

[Bryguy]

z-reviews

Z Reviews

His continued success never ceases to amaze me. I am genuinely impressed that people can listen to him ramble on about absolutely nothing for as long as his videos are. You'd think his years of experience would teach him how to condense his ideas, but if anything his videos are getting longer. Different strokes for different folks I guess

 

[doug s.]

The irony of Tekton supporters on his FB page who had previously railed against determining a speaker's excellence based only on measurements ("I actually listen") are now praising Eric for allegedly designing the "flattest speaker ever!"

That's funny.

it may be funny, but i think it's a sad commentary...

doug s.

 

[doug s.]

You can take legitimate shots at his ideas, concepts, products and services. Attack the item or service and not the person. That speaker is crap. Fine. You are crap. Not. It your comment is about the person then it might be an insult. Just reverse the situation and ask yourself if someone said that to or about you would you feel insulted? Argue the idea and not the person.

but the point here is that it isn't the speaker that's crap. it's the speaker mfr that is at fault here, not the speaker. how many times in this thread has it been said that neither amir's nor erin's reviews were not actually all that negative? many people actually like the speakers.

if i act like an ass, and someone tells me i'm acting like an ass, is it an insult, or someone simply speaking the truth about me? of course, i'm not eric - if i were acting like an ass, i'd know it, realize i was out of line and apologize. if i weren't, whoever said that i was, would know in no uncertain terms what i thought about it, and they would know the specific reasons why it wasn't i that was acting like an ass.

certainly, there are some people here that aren't interested in speakers that have any measurement deficiency, but others, (myself included), have experienced speakers with less than stellar measurements that they still like. speakers are a bit different than amps, cables, dacs, etc, when it comes to measurements vs real world performance. and you can have speakers that measure equally well, but because of inherent differences in speaker soundstage presentation, some people will strongly prefer one vs the other. horns have a different presentation than planars, etc...

there's a reason why so many people, (myself included), were interested in tekton speakers, who are now completely uninterested, and it's not because the speakers are crap. it's because eric is [...]. 95 pages and counting - because of eric's behavior, not because of the speaker's behavior. and, it's not just speakers. tesla, for example - it might be a stellar electric car. but no way in hades i'd ever consider buying one. why? ELON.

doug s.

 

[Ron Texas]

adam, i do not want to go against site rules. (i was already castigated once, for using swear words, when i was not aware that it was unacceptable.)

but, how do you distinguish between insults, and facts that happen to be unflattering? i'm not trying to be difficult; seriously, i want to know. because, it seems to me that many (most?) of these insults are in actuality, simple truthful statements of fact.

thanks,

doug s.

If you can't tell the difference you probably should stay out of the discussion.

 

[doug s.]

If you can't tell the difference you probably should stay out of the discussion.

if people were only criticizing the speaker behavior and not the speaker mfr owner's behavior, this thread would be 10 pages long, if that; not pushing 100 pages long...

doug s.

 

[Ron Texas]

if people were only criticizing the speaker behavior and not the speaker mfr owner's behavior, this thread would be 10 pages long, if that; not pushing 100 pages long...

doug s.

There is a difference between criticizing behavior and hurling insults. You should know better.

 

[doug s.]

There is a difference between criticizing behavior and hurling insults. You should know better.

the overwhelming majority of "insults" are in fact legitimate criticisms of behavior. yes, i do know the difference, as i was chastised for using extreme profanity in one of my earliest posts in this thread. and i have not repeated that. but all the other criticism here that i've seen since, is in fact quite insulting - unless, of course, it is true. which is why i've queried adam about it. i've not seen what i'd consider to be insulting posts; only accurate posts extremely critical of eric's behavior.

doug s.

 

[Katzz]

I been following the thread to see updates from Eric and Tekton, a lot of people have been making comments mocking Eric personality and statements in which they can be informative and funny, but those comments expressing personal insults to Eric dont contribute to anything in the conversation and they are not appropriate to make in any audio forum.

 

[ahofer]

I’m not on Facebook, but Eric Alexander allows plenty of information to be publicly viewable. I found this post which I think gives an insight into his character.


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He thinks that he is a maverick “expert“, and likes to arrogantly throw shade at the real experts and scientists. I imagine he mainly lives in a bubble of people not questioning his “expertise”. Two science-based reviews quite close together will have seriously dented that curated facade. His arrogance only allows for one type of response…

A long time ago I wrote this thread, with a paragraph on this idea of the rogue genius:

How can bogus claims and inferior audio thrive in a competitive market?

I keep running into the same addlepated thought, here and in other forums. It goes something like this: Market success is the clearest indication of value. Expensive cables must sound better, or people wouldn't pay for them; exotic amplifiers must be better or they wouldn't survive. Even...

audiosciencereview.com

Narrative fallacy (I realize I have this one - well, I have all of them to some extent, but I think this one is strong with me) - we want to believe a good story. That lonely guy in his garage fiddling with MOSFETs has invented something that completely blows the big brands out of the water. Forget all that expensive Harmon research. Those wacky rebels at PS audio fiddled around with FPGAs and just totally solved all the alleged audible problems with digital audio, despite decades of well-funded research by specialists. And they keep doing it every six months - "night and day". We want to believe these kinds of outsider revolutions a) happen more often than they do and b) we are just the highly discriminating people to have discovered them. We are back to signaling, then. The narrative says something good about us.

 

[komhst]

From now on Tekton is on my black list. Due to Eric Alexander's behavior I'll never buy a Tekton product no matter how good it might be.

 

[Snickers-is]

One interesting consequence of this is that while Amir's review was not the topic on many other forums, @Eric Alexander behavior is. So while noone puts much emphasis on the reveiew itself, Alexander has certainly made sure it has goten attention. In addition, people still only discuss Alexanders behavior, and if people originally did not think the review seemed bad, Alexander has made sure people also considers that.

It would be interesting to see how many of the "headless panther"-votes that came in after the legal threats showed up. Is it possible to see when the votes came in @amirm ?

 

[Buckchester]

His continued success never ceases to amaze me. I am genuinely impressed that people can listen to him ramble on about absolutely nothing for as long as his videos are. You'd think his years of experience would teach him how to condense his ideas, but if anything his videos are getting longer. Different strokes for different folks I guess

His vocabulary seems to be getting worse too.

"This headphone. Oh! THIS."

 

[PGansz]

Yeah, it's good for seeing the latest stuff and what's new. I should add I hold no malice to any of these people, I just see them for what they are 'influencers' and marketing. If you watch a lot of these people often you will notice the 'subjective' comparisons can actually contradict themselves over time. It's especially interesting when you see something truly bad, like really bad that's effectively broken like the FIIO's Erin reviewed. Meanwhile elsewhere the hype engine was at max rev's.

Or in the extreme case of Steve Huff, who has over time shown by my example, to proclaim products using one technology, are superior to another, only later to be outdone by the same technology implemented elsewhere because it cost more money.

It's actually a joke when you watch it.

 

[Vladimir Filevski]

About the Tekton M-Lore:
1. At 92 dB 88 dB it is genuinely high slightly above average efficiency speaker - which is not too common, especially at that price ($750 a pair). From all speakers tested here in that price range, only Focal Chora 816 is comparable better at 91 dB, but with higher price at $1000 a pair (and much better frequency response).
2. Frequency response is not good, but we have seen much worse for much more money. Peak at 700 Hz can be eradicated with simple RLC filter - why it was not implemented, remains a mystery.
3. Distortion is low, it can play 100 dB without problems.
4. Although in the supplied instruction reference axis is wrongly stated at the tweeter center, for all "woofer at top - tweeter below woofer" designs reference axis is at the woofer center. Not that it will change much, but still... Additional measurement by Amir show 0.5 - 1 dB improvement in the 3.5 - 6.5 kHz region.
5. Feet holes all through the bottom panel - big design/production mistake. Not supplying the feet with speakers and not stating (in the instruction manual) that feet must be inserted is even bigger mistake.
6 Exposed woofer rim is ugly.
7. Reactions from Eric Alexander (Tekton) to both Amir's and Erin's reviews were catastrophically bad and wrong. Also, looking at his strange comments here, I will speculate: he hasn't designed the crossovers in Tekton loudspeakers - none of them.

Bottom line for Tekton M-Lore:
At $750 a pair it has passable (not terrible) performance, especially in a view of its high slightly above average efficiency and high SPLmax. Eric Alexander is another story....

Edited - in bold.