Again, this isn't about you at all. You don't seem to understand that, so I'm gonna move on.I failed to find sufficient scientific evidence
Again, this isn't about you at all. You don't seem to understand that, so I'm gonna move on.I failed to find sufficient scientific evidence
Lol! I've never seen an omni thread that doesn't start that way. And I've never seen one that doesn't end in tears. Powerful mojo at workI love how the O.P. just jumped in with unjustified condescension. Who starts a thread with bold assertions about measurements proving their case without any discussion of those measurements?
At any rate, I had Magnepans for several years (yes, I know, dipole not omni) and I felt so relieved when I replaced them with Thiels. I was always fiddling with the Maggies and noticing weird soundstage effects.
You know the old saying, “The day I bought my Maggies was the second-happiest day of my life!”At any rate, I had Magnepans for several years (yes, I know, dipole not omni) and I felt so relieved when I replaced them with Thiels. I was always fiddling with the Maggies and noticing weird soundstage effects.
The idea that multi-channel satisfactorily addresses the limitations of 2 channel playback is quite contentious. To my ears, stereo playback always sounds much more natural than MCH does.
Let me state it another way: there isn't sufficient evidence in the resource you referenced to support your assertions.Again, this isn't about you at all. You don't seem to understand that, so I'm gonna move on.
I never owned Maggies, but i auditioned them quite often in NYC audio stores in the late 80's and early 90's, along with other ribbon types like Apogees....and any electrostat I could find that was up and running.Those of you who could compare...do the Maggies and electrostatic panel speakers have a similar presentation?
That's about as an objective assessment as I've seen.Regarding your dig about the characteristics of an and off-axis sound and how it relates to listener preference, regardless of what I believe regarding that, if you are referencing the work by Harman, you should understand that it's about half done. A short summary of their work goes something like this:
They had a group of listeners record preferences of various speakers when listening to them without the ability to see them. They made measurements of the speakers, and ran some regression analysis to see if they could closely re-create the recorded preference scores by weighting various aspects of the speaker measurements. They found that they could. Then they got another group of listeners together to listen to a larger set of speakers (if I recall correctly). They once again recorded blind listener preference. They used the weighted characteristics from the first test to try and re-create the preference scores from the second test, and found out it didn't work very well. So they applied new regression analysis, and came up with a new model with a better fit to the data. Now, in order for this to constitute "science", an independent group needs to verify that this model holds up when they conduct their own experiments with their own speakers and listeners. As far as I know, this has never been done.
That's my impression. Parties, or those who wander as they listen.Great for parties, but critical listening not so much.
Keith
That’s so hilariously wrong. Glad I’m not taking speaker recommendations from some hereGreat for parties, but critical listening not so much.
Keith
Alright, I'm willing to learn. Is the detail good for critical listening? With so many room reflections going on, it seems counter-intuitive.That’s so hilariously wrong. Glad I’m not taking speaker recommendations from some here
I grew up listening to Bose 901s and if they made a pair that got up high and down low to properly cover the approved range I would likely still be there. Erin's experience with them seemed to be quite good, he noted, they are just different, something like that. The Definitive Technology Towers have sound front, back and then at the sides with the Subs, so they might qualify.If Omnis are wrong I don’t wanna be right!
My MBLs were incredible - most realistic sound I’ve ever heard in my room.
Selling them was the first?You know the old saying, “The day I bought my Maggies was the second-happiest day of my life!”