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TRIUMPH OF THE MEDIAN

In many walks of life it pays to have a neutral appearance, not stick out. However, sometimes one has to to voice an opinion. What’s the optimal strategy when voicing an opinion that will be judged against a reference, Truth, at some point?

Say life is a guessing contest. Contestants need to voice an opinion, an estimate, between 1 and 100. At a later point, a mechanism will reveal Truth, which can be any integer number between 1 and 100. The contest is about making an estimate which is as close to Truth as possible.

For every run of the contest, our contestant will be ranked among his many peers of other guessers. If our contestant has the best guess, i.e. his guess is the closest to Truth, his rank will be 1st percentile. If he’s worst, i.e. his guess is furthest away from Truth, his rank is 100th percentile, etc.

As in real-life our contestant has the ability to use his head. He’s quite lazy too and he hates to stick out. So he decides to observe what all the other hard-working guessers do and he makes a guess which is the median guess of all the other contestants.

So the question is: Over time, after several runs of the guessing contest, which average percentile will our lazy guesser, who hates to stick out, attain? Which percentile rank will the other contestants attain over time, after several runs?

For simplicity, you can assume no guessing skill among the other hard-working guessers and a uniform distribution of guesses (however, you could also assume skill, if you insist).
 

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For every run of the contest, our contestant will be ranked among his many peers of other guessers. If our contestant has the best guess, i.e. his guess is the closest to Truth, his rank will be 1st percentile. If he’s worst, i.e. his guess is furthest away from Truth, his rank is 100th percentile, etc.


After a number is guessed, can it be guessed again by another participant?
 

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My guess is that someone has been banned from every forum on the planet but this one, thus he/she feels the need to spam us with every random thought and complaint about injustice or overlooked minutiae that has the barest veneer of being audio related.

This thread really belongs in a non-audio area of the forum, perhaps a new subdivision of Other Areas of Interest, perhaps something along the lines of "PSEUDOINTELLECTUAL BLOVIATION AND PONTIFICATION, POSTDOCTORAL LEVEL" would be appropriate. Or perhaps it belongs in the Testing Area, as these posts could certainly be the result of an AI program being trained (if so, I wish the programmer would let us know, as it would certainly increase the interest level, although I understand that such a disclosure would probably lead to tainting of the AI's learning process*).



*e.g. Tay: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

@amirm is it possible that your old colleagues at Microsoft are trolling you with their newest chatbot? Many of these posts seem to be directed at you, after all.

My apologies if the OP simply has no one in his/her life with whom to carry on discussions, but this thread still belongs in another area of the forum. Edited to add: I'm known as a pompous windbag myself, so perhaps I should be more sympathetic and kind.
 
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One of Sean Olive's conclusions in his study on: The Subjective and Objective Evaluation of Room Correction Products

"A flat in-room target response is clearly not the optimal target curve for room equalization. The preferred room corrections have a target response that has a smooth downward slope with increasing frequency. This tells us that listeners prefer a certain amount of natural room gain. Removing the room gain, makes the reproduced music sound unnatural, and too thin, according to these listeners. This also makes perfect sense since the recording was likely mixed in room where the room gain was also not removed; therefore, to remove it from the consumers' listening room would destroy spectral balance of the music as intended by the artist."

A well done evaluation and certainly has been my experience with so called room correction products. A couple of slides worth pointing out from the study. From Sean’s slide deck is a preferred subjective ranking of average magnitude responses, objectively measured at the primary listening position:

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The top preference (red trace) is a flat, but tilted measured response. If 0 dB is 20 Hz, then it would be a straight line to -10 dB at 20 kHz.

Note that this tilted measured in-room response is perceived by our ear/brain, as subjectively flat or a neutral response according to Sean’s research:

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See how an objectively measured response of 20 Hz and straight line to -10 dB at 20 kHz (in-room) is subjectively perceived as a neutral or flat response to our ears/brain (red trace overlaid in the above chart). Most participants in the study preferred a frequency response from 20 Hz with a straight line to -10 dB at 20 kHz. A measured “flat” in-room frequency response is not the preferred target, as it sounds too thin or lacking bass.

Link to PDF slide show.



So do we get live jazz bands to have their instruments modified to have that downward EQ? It would please the armchair listeners who consider them too bright/harsh. :cool:
 

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Readers of this thread complain about my writing style. That’s fair. I believe it comes from people not being used to discussing epistemologic questions and a need for instant gratification, .

It's not about the need for instant gratification. To go beyond being a purely subjective audiophile people need to understand technicalities which require research and reading. There is a wealth of very knowledgeable members on this site who post information which helps in this process, from which people want to, and do indeed spend the time to learn.

One issue is that discussions of an epistemological nature are of little interest to most of the readership of this forum. Its just not what they come here for.

When presented with a full page of commentary which then has multiple links to lengthy reference materials people are going to ask a question. Am I really interested in devoting time to this?

Please take this in the spirit it is intended, but having spent time reading your output previously I am of the view you have the tendency to disappear down irrelevant or plain wrong "rabbit holes".

You appear to like to debate for the sake of debate (the philosophical discussion) when the answer is often very clear and simple to the rest of us. Its usually demonstrably provable as such. My view is that you also do this with the intent of trying to justify clearly biased views, which is why you very regularly fail in the debate or point.

This is why, when I see a page of dialogue from you, I just switch off.

This isn't a post to say "shut up". However try making clear and concise points. Limit the scope and try and you must keep it relevant to audio.
 
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TRIUMPH OF THE MEDIAN

In many walks of life it pays to have a neutral appearance, not stick out. However, sometimes one has to to voice an opinion. What’s the optimal strategy when voicing an opinion that will be judged against a reference, Truth, at some point?

Say life is a guessing contest. Contestants need to voice an opinion, an estimate, between 1 and 100. At a later point, a mechanism will reveal Truth, which can be any integer number between 1 and 100. The contest is about making an estimate which is as close to Truth as possible.

For every run of the contest, our contestant will be ranked among his many peers of other guessers. If our contestant has the best guess, i.e. his guess is the closest to Truth, his rank will be 1st percentile. If he’s worst, i.e. his guess is furthest away from Truth, his rank is 100th percentile, etc.

As in real-life our contestant has the ability to use his head. He’s quite lazy too and he hates to stick out. So he decides to observe what all the other hard-working guessers do and he makes a guess which is the median guess of all the other contestants.

So the question is: Over time, after several runs of the guessing contest, which average percentile will our lazy guesser, who hates to stick out, attain? Which percentile rank will the other contestants attain over time, after several runs?

For simplicity, you can assume no guessing skill among the other hard-working guessers and a uniform distribution of guesses (however, you could also assume skill, if you insist).

Something to do with Central Limit theorem, I’m guessing, so a normal distribution? But why, pray tell, is this at all relevant to anything in audio? You are still missing a simple summary/introduction to explain the purpose of your posts, what issue you are trying to raise and why anybody should care. Start with a short, one or two sentence explanation, not with the detailed discussion with multiple references and not a single indication of the purpose.
 

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I might note if you are trying to prevent audio research or at least on this forum the search for best gear from making mistakes it need not be efficient. Evolution is fairly effective at finding solutions in the most complex of circumstances. It isn't fast, it isn't efficient, and it has no epistemology. Epistemology being in order is optional to progress.

After all this, it is murky what you have in mind. It is because it is murky in your mind? Or because you thinking spelling it out isn't most effective? Or because spelling it out is less interesting/entertaining to you? You aren't communicating at least to me very well at all. Maybe it is my fault, but there seems to be a very low density of information exchange.
 
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TRIUMPH OF THE MEDIAN

In many walks of life it pays to have a neutral appearance, not stick out. However, sometimes one has to to voice an opinion. What’s the optimal strategy when voicing an opinion that will be judged against a reference, Truth, at some point?

Say life is a guessing contest. Contestants need to voice an opinion, an estimate, between 1 and 100. At a later point, a mechanism will reveal Truth, which can be any integer number between 1 and 100. The contest is about making an estimate which is as close to Truth as possible.

For every run of the contest, our contestant will be ranked among his many peers of other guessers. If our contestant has the best guess, i.e. his guess is the closest to Truth, his rank will be 1st percentile. If he’s worst, i.e. his guess is furthest away from Truth, his rank is 100th percentile, etc.

As in real-life our contestant has the ability to use his head. He’s quite lazy too and he hates to stick out. So he decides to observe what all the other hard-working guessers do and he makes a guess which is the median guess of all the other contestants.

So the question is: Over time, after several runs of the guessing contest, which average percentile will our lazy guesser, who hates to stick out, attain? Which percentile rank will the other contestants attain over time, after several runs?

For simplicity, you can assume no guessing skill among the other hard-working guessers and a uniform distribution of guesses (however, you could also assume skill, if you insist).





Words. More words. Too many words. Words as pseudo entities - words mistaken for things - words without context. Where is Wittgenstein - I'm at my limit I'm afraid.

Have noticed it before. Sorry, but the 1st use of ignore for me.
 

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Medical researchers have the advantage that the eventual success or failure of a technique shows up in survival studies which we have no correlate for in audio.

We do have a correlate for that. You'd need to conduct survival studies of audio gear design approaches. It was striking to me at audiophile shows how many "novel" designs promoted there as "the revolutionary and the best" were in fact tried out decades ago, most of them with mixed success at best.
 

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I like philosophical discussions but I think I do need some further clarification on what exactly the issue is here.

I think it's to do with how progress in audio is made..? If so, I think there are many aspects that could be interesting to discuss. One of them could be: do we actually need any more progress? If progress in any field had reached its limit but people naturally expected constant progress, what would that look like? I think the answer could well be the current situation in audio. Feverish attempts to create progress when none is possible can only end up being detrimental.

Quoting from another thread:
Juhazi said:
In '70s I listened closed box 3-ways in a wooden house at my parents, with great satisfaction....
Then it all went wrong (I think a familiar story for many of us). But eventually:
Then I decided to build only sealed woofers and to use Minidsp and now I can enjoy music at home again!

Audio in the 1970s may have been so good purely by accident (large drivers, three way, large sealed boxes with wide baffles). The 'progress' onto slim speakers with bass reflex may have been a triumph of naive measurements over the sound, and we all suffered from it for decades.

And it is the 'naive' aspect that is the problem. (Pseudo-)Scientific experiments just compound it by seeming to make it irrefutable. Why 'pseudo'? Because if hypotheses are universally based on an error (that human hearing simply duplicates a windowed FFT) then they cannot do anything else but confirm it - even if that confirmation is mysteriously messy. The experiments that mysteriously don't confirm the hypothesis will tend to be quietly abandoned.
 

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Wait, what problem are you trying to solve by applying a economics model to a forum that tests commercial audio products?
I like philosophical discussions but I think I do need some further clarification on what exactly the issue is here.

I think it's to do with how progress in audio is made..? If so, I think there are many aspects that could be interesting to discuss. One of them could be: do we actually need any more progress? If progress in any field had reached its limit but people naturally expected constant progress, what would that look like? I think the answer could well be the current situation in audio. Feverish attempts to create progress when none is possible can only end up being detrimental.

Quoting from another thread:

Then it all went wrong (I think a familiar story for many of us). But eventually:


Audio in the 1970s may have been so good purely by accident (large drivers, three way, large sealed boxes with wide baffles). The 'progress' onto slim speakers with bass reflex may have been a triumph of naive measurements over the sound, and we all suffered from it for decades.

And it is the 'naive' aspect that is the problem. (Pseudo-)Scientific experiments just compound it by seeming to make it irrefutable. Why 'pseudo'? Because if hypotheses are universally based on an error (that human hearing simply duplicates a windowed FFT) then they cannot do anything else but confirm it - even if that confirmation is mysteriously messy. The experiments that mysteriously don't confirm the hypothesis will tend to be quietly abandoned.
This is one of the most thought provoking posts on ASR I have read.
 

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[It seems to me that audioQUOTE="DKT88, post: 206875, member: 6611"]Wait, what problem are you trying to solve by applying a economics model to a forum that tests commercial audio products?

This is one of the most thought provoking posts on ASR I have read.[/QUOTE]


It seems to me that the boutique world of audio is trying to defy the product life-cycle by kidding us that they have something new to add to mature products in order to hold back the decline phase. Phooey, I say. :cool:

Product life-cycle.
 
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After a number is guessed, can it be guessed again by another participant?

For simplicity: No.

So this is some sort of one-period model. However, in real-life, I imagine what you described may happen - but the empirical data reflect the insight of the simple model.
 
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TRIUMPH OF THE MEDIAN

In many walks of life it pays to have a neutral appearance, not stick out. However, sometimes one has to to voice an opinion. What’s the optimal strategy when voicing an opinion that will be judged against a reference, Truth, at some point?

Say life is a guessing contest. Contestants need to voice an opinion, an estimate, between 1 and 100. At a later point, a mechanism will reveal Truth, which can be any integer number between 1 and 100. The contest is about making an estimate which is as close to Truth as possible.

For every run of the contest, our contestant will be ranked among his many peers of other guessers. If our contestant has the best guess, i.e. his guess is the closest to Truth, his rank will be 1st percentile. If he’s worst, i.e. his guess is furthest away from Truth, his rank is 100th percentile, etc.

As in real-life our contestant has the ability to use his head. He’s quite lazy too and he hates to stick out. So he decides to observe what all the other hard-working guessers do and he makes a guess which is the median guess of all the other contestants.

So the question is: Over time, after several runs of the guessing contest, which average percentile will our lazy guesser, who hates to stick out, attain? Which percentile rank will the other contestants attain over time, after several runs?

For simplicity, you can assume no guessing skill among the other hard-working guessers and a uniform distribution of guesses (however, you could also assume skill, if you insist).

The correct answer is:

Percentile rank 37.5

Mathemetically: 50%*50 + 50%*25 = 37.5

Given no or little skill among other contestants, the experiment will lift the median guess over time to 1st percentile (the competitors’ average percentile rank willl be 50).

WHAT WISDOM LIES IN THE MEDIAN?

By doing nothing, simply free-riding on the work of others, the median strategy will never work very poorly (never below 50th percentile), but the strategy will in half of the time lift you to a rank that is higher than 50th percentile.

By applying the median strategy, one will never stick out, but over time one will look pretty smart. Have you ever met a person who performed the median strategy? He was always in the middle, never sticking out, never doing big idiosyncratic errors or mistakes, and over time he became successful.

Please note that the median strategy works well independent on the revealed number in the contest, if the number is Truth or Nonsense. The median strategy will work in either case, and from a scientific point of view, this is the food for thought: How can you know that the optimal strategy in this vox populi game was Truth seeking or Nonsense seeking?

If this vox populi based approach was an optimal one for our lazy contestant, can it work outside of a model? I already raised the question if you had ever noticed such a person, a smooth person who was was celebrated for his ability to define and talk for the consensus, a characteristic that led to his success? Would this strategy work for companies too? Smooth talking companies that never challenged the consensus, spending their money on marketing instead of science, R&D and capital expenditure? Only the philosopher would ask: The success of the median strategy is apparent, but is it a successful strategy for society? The cynical observer, inspired by homo economicus, would respond: The strategy makes money. What other need for evidence do you need?

Every man for himself. The median strategy is my advice to people who aspire for success. Consensus is a comfortable place too. Probably good for one’s well being and long-term health. The strategy’s mathematics is unbeatable, and it doesn’t matter if the median is based on Truth or Nonsense.

A THOUGHT ON THE MEDIAN SPEAKER
For this exercise one can illustrate the point for oneself by the RANDBETWEEN function in Excel.

Say a speaker has 7 tone controls, from A to G.

Here’s one empirical observation on all over the place EQ settings:

“However, many of us have seen evidence of such listener preferences in the “as found” tone control settings in numerous rental and loaner cars”.
Source: Floyd Toole, Sound Reproduction (latest ed.), chapter 12.3

For the ease of seeing the point, make a column in Excel with seven rows from A to G. Apply the formula RANDBETWEEN in every cell, and use minus 10 and plus 10 [RANDBETWEEN(-10,10)] to generate random numbers for every tone control, A to G. Say minus and plus 10 is the equivalent of plus/minus 10 dB deviation from “Flat”. Your first row of seven random generated numbers will look...random...much like the tone control you saw in the rental and loaner cars? If this column represented the only person in the world, the numbers associated with every tone control from A to G would represent Truth as per the vox populi way of thinking - even if this column of numbers doesn’t look like “Flat” (i.e. zeros from A to G) at all.

To expand the experiment, make 100 or even 1000 columns to represent 100 or 1000 individuals’ preferences. I will bet you a free beer that none of the columns shows straight zeros. However, if you calculate the median of the 100 or 1000 tone preferences from A to G, you’ll start to see that the median is zero for each of the tone controls. In other words, none of the individual users preferred straight zeros, but the way we made our calculation made it look like zero (i.e. “Flat”) is the preference of the population.

Food for thought: Was it real science or the design of the research model that guided the “scientist” to conclude that flat is Truth? Is the vox populi method better at finding a compromise, an average, a consensus independent of Truth?

In audio reality, I believe an average (median) of a large number of speakers would look a bit like the experimental model above. The thing is, will the power of the median strategy lead us to “Flat” in terms of frequency response because it is Truth or because it is the result of averaging a large number of (random) preferences where the median strategy rewards the consensus speaker?

Idea based science told us that Flat (in terms of frequency response) was correct long before vox populi-processes were used to arrive at the same conclusion by accident or real insight. The thing about Flat in terms of frequency response, is that its representation is a one-dimensional, linear one. What if there are multidimensional, non-linear aspects of sound that are not as easily picked up by my Excel sheet? What if an important dimension were “colour”, or a set of coordinates from a to z?

In a previous post, AES Fellow John Watkinson was ridiculed for presenting the idea of perfect waveform reproduction, not only through dacs and amplifiers, but through speakers as well. Vox populi polls has shown us that Watkinson’s “perfect waveform” is not what listeners wanted, so Truth is discarded in favor of a vox populi based result. Could one argue that Truth is Nonsense because vox populi said so?

To finish off this short essay, let me add that I am in favor of vox populi based institutions and methods. But I am also aware of the vox populi method’s limits. In economics, there has been vox populi related discussions for decades. Even though very few economists reject the idea of a market, most economists find it enjoyable to discuss the limits of vox populi. In psychology, old Truth may be about to be replaced by new Truth. There is a growing suspicion that Truth may be Nonsense in some cases for which for example Daniel Kahneman is a well-known figure. The new insight is that the results of legacy research on preferences and behaviour may be the results of framing, the way questions were asked in the original research on which later work was based. In other words, there is a growing awareness in psychology that the design of research methods influences the results. So old Truth is new Nonsense.

Some people have criticized economics - which arguably is a failed research program - for physics envy, and for applying principles from physics onto economics related problems, principles that were later abandoned by younger generations in the physics discipline. Does audio have a certain economics envy, applying a narrow focus on vox populi as more and more economists raise questions about sins of emission in their discipline? Do even younger audio researchers have a psychology envy too, putting too much weight on preference related research at the same time as psychologists too are waking up to the fact that old Truth is new Nonsense?

I am not saying, either, that vox populi based research in audio is Nonsense. But a certan awareness, a sound discussion of sins of omission, is in place in audio science as in other research areas. Wouldn’t you agree?
 

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Feedback has had little affect/effect it seems. :rolleyes:
 
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Svart-vit:I think you need to apply error limits to your reasoning and apply research on individuals to determine error limits. Median or average are just statistics. Bayesian statistics or logic tells us that FLAT is the truth. For confirmation there are no RCTs or heavy systematic reviews with forest plots since the studies are too few. Also given the errors in stereo reproduction you may end up with some small deviations from FLAT. But those flaws im stereo reproduction are iwell known.
 

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The correct answer is:

Percentile rank 37.5

Mathemetically: 50%*50 + 50%*25 = 37.5

Given no or little skill among other contestants, the experiment will lift the median guess over time to 1st percentile (the competitors’ average percentile rank willl be 50).

WHAT WISDOM LIES IN THE MEDIAN?

By doing nothing, simply free-riding on the work of others, the median strategy will never work very poorly (never below 50th percentile), but the strategy will in half of the time lift you to a rank that is higher than 50th percentile.

By applying the median strategy, one will never stick out, but over time one will look pretty smart. Have you ever met a person who performed the median strategy? He was always in the middle, never sticking out, never doing big idiosyncratic errors or mistakes, and over time he became successful.

Please note that the median strategy works well independent on the revealed number in the contest, if the number is Truth or Nonsense. The median strategy will work in either case, and from a scientific point of view, this is the food for thought: How can you know that the optimal strategy in this vox populi game was Truth seeking or Nonsense seeking?

If this vox populi based approach was an optimal one for our lazy contestant, can it work outside of a model? I already raised the question if you had ever noticed such a person, a smooth person who was was celebrated for his ability to define and talk for the consensus, a characteristic that led to his success? Would this strategy work for companies too? Smooth talking companies that never challenged the consensus, spending their money on marketing instead of science, R&D and capital expenditure? Only the philosopher would ask: The success of the median strategy is apparent, but is it a successful strategy for society? The cynical observer, inspired by homo economicus, would respond: The strategy makes money. What other need for evidence do you need?

Every man for himself. The median strategy is my advice to people who aspire for success. Consensus is a comfortable place too. Probably good for one’s well being and long-term health. The strategy’s mathematics is unbeatable, and it doesn’t matter if the median is based on Truth or Nonsense.

A THOUGHT ON THE MEDIAN SPEAKER
For this exercise one can illustrate the point for oneself by the RANDBETWEEN function in Excel.

Say a speaker has 7 tone controls, from A to G.

Here’s one empirical observation on all over the place EQ settings:

“However, many of us have seen evidence of such listener preferences in the “as found” tone control settings in numerous rental and loaner cars”.
Source: Floyd Toole, Sound Reproduction (latest ed.), chapter 12.3

For the ease of seeing the point, make a column in Excel with seven rows from A to G. Apply the formula RANDBETWEEN in every cell, and use minus 10 and plus 10 [RANDBETWEEN(-10,10)] to generate random numbers for every tone control, A to G. Say minus and plus 10 is the equivalent of plus/minus 10 dB deviation from “Flat”. Your first row of seven random generated numbers will look...random...much like the tone control you saw in the rental and loaner cars? If this column represented the only person in the world, the numbers associated with every tone control from A to G would represent Truth as per the vox populi way of thinking - even if this column of numbers doesn’t look like “Flat” (i.e. zeros from A to G) at all.

To expand the experiment, make 100 or even 1000 columns to represent 100 or 1000 individuals’ preferences. I will bet you a free beer that none of the columns shows straight zeros. However, if you calculate the median of the 100 or 1000 tone preferences from A to G, you’ll start to see that the median is zero for each of the tone controls. In other words, none of the individual users preferred straight zeros, but the way we made our calculation made it look like zero (i.e. “Flat”) is the preference of the population.

Food for thought: Was it real science or the design of the research model that guided the “scientist” to conclude that flat is Truth? Is the vox populi method better at finding a compromise, an average, a consensus independent of Truth?

In audio reality, I believe an average (median) of a large number of speakers would look a bit like the experimental model above. The thing is, will the power of the median strategy lead us to “Flat” in terms of frequency response because it is Truth or because it is the result of averaging a large number of (random) preferences where the median strategy rewards the consensus speaker?

Idea based science told us that Flat (in terms of frequency response) was correct long before vox populi-processes were used to arrive at the same conclusion by accident or real insight. The thing about Flat in terms of frequency response, is that its representation is a one-dimensional, linear one. What if there are multidimensional, non-linear aspects of sound that are not as easily picked up by my Excel sheet? What if an important dimension were “colour”, or a set of coordinates from a to z?

In a previous post, AES Fellow John Watkinson was ridiculed for presenting the idea of perfect waveform reproduction, not only through dacs and amplifiers, but through speakers as well. Vox populi polls has shown us that Watkinson’s “perfect waveform” is not what listeners wanted, so Truth is discarded in favor of a vox populi based result. Could one argue that Truth is Nonsense because vox populi said so?

To finish off this short essay, let me add that I am in favor of vox populi based institutions and methods. But I am also aware of the vox populi method’s limits. In economics, there has been vox populi related discussions for decades. Even though very few economists reject the idea of a market, most economists find it enjoyable to discuss the limits of vox populi. In psychology, old Truth may be about to be replaced by new Truth. There is a growing suspicion that Truth may be Nonsense in some cases for which for example Daniel Kahneman is a well-known figure. The new insight is that the results of legacy research on preferences and behaviour may be the results of framing, the way questions were asked in the original research on which later work was based. In other words, there is a growing awareness in psychology that the design of research methods influences the results. So old Truth is new Nonsense.

Some people have criticized economics - which arguably is a failed research program - for physics envy, and for applying principles from physics onto economics related problems, principles that were later abandoned by younger generations in the physics discipline. Does audio have a certain economics envy, applying a narrow focus on vox populi as more and more economists raise questions about sins of emission in their discipline? Do even younger audio researchers have a psychology envy too, putting too much weight on preference related research at the same time as psychologists too are waking up to the fact that old Truth is new Nonsense?

I am not saying, either, that vox populi based research in audio is Nonsense. But a certan awareness, a sound discussion of sins of omission, is in place in audio science as in other research areas. Wouldn’t you agree?

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