Nice turntables. Attached picture is an absolute requirement.

[antcollinet]

. . . unless pitch stability was a consideration (no accident that "New Age music became a thing when CDs first appeared).
. . . unless the ticks and pops of typical, average pressings were annoying.
. . . unless one heard record wear and IGD.
Of course, to the record companies the real issue was declining sales. CDs filled that hole nicely. And SACDs and DVD audio appeared as CDs peaked and record companies attempted to stem the tide of file sharing. But we all know how that turned out, don't we?

Sorry about the diversion, here's another turntable:

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It's madness. Madness I tell you.

 

[Sal1950]

This is part of the reason why folks continue to enjoy LP reproduction - a lot of them are deliberately compressed. I know people in audiophile circles complain about Brickwalling, but there has been excessive audio compression ever since recordings were first made.

Right on point. Those of us that were around during the LP hay-day remember that all we did was complain about the compression being used and the high surface noise. We searched every avenue to find something better than the usual offerings from the labels. It was this situation that encouraged the
beginnings of things like Mobile Fidelity remastered pressings, even a few of the majors offered audiophile pressing in low noise, maybe 45 rpm, buying expensive imports, anything they/we could do to offer a better product the usual day to day garbage that was being pressed.
Then there was a whole bunch of hardware products being sold from Phase Linear, DBX, etc; to address our complaints of poor dynamic range and noise.
To hear some talk today you'd think these problems didn't & don't exist.

 

[Robin L]

Right on point. Those of us that were around during the LP hay-day remember that all we did was complain about the compression being used and the high surface noise. We searched every avenue to find something better than the usual offerings from the labels. It was this situation that encouraged the
beginnings of things like Mobile Fidelity remastered pressings, even a few of the majors offered audiophile pressing in low noise, maybe 45 rpm, buying expensive imports, anything they/we could do to offer a better product the usual day to day garbage that was being pressed.
Then there was a whole bunch of hardware products being sold from Phase Linear, DBX, etc; to address our complaints of poor dynamic range and noise.
To hear some talk today you'd think these problems didn't & don't exist.

I remember hearing DBX for records, could always hear the "pumping". Also had a very nice (Yamaha) cassette deck with DBX, that also pumped. In fact, I got the best results with that deck using a pricey ($12 a pop in the 1990s) Sony metal tape in a ceramic housing, no noise reduction. Recorded well into the red without distortion. But, to these ears at least, the more radical the noise reduction, the more audible the audible artifacts. The best solution for LPs were Japanese pressings, as least as regards surface noise. Only problem, most of them had the treble jacked up for reasons I still don't understand.

 

[Sal1950]

But, to these ears at least, the more radical the noise reduction, the more audible the audible artifacts.

Sure, both DBX and Dolby had issues with analog tape, none were perfect, no matter if it was a two sided or one sided format.
Thankfully digital came along and solved all that.

 

[Anton S]

Right on point. Those of us that were around during the LP hay-day remember that all we did was complain about the compression being used and the high surface noise. We searched every avenue to find something better than the usual offerings from the labels. It was this situation that encouraged the
beginnings of things like Mobile Fidelity remastered pressings, even a few of the majors offered audiophile pressing in low noise, maybe 45 rpm, buying expensive imports, anything they/we could do to offer a better product the usual day to day garbage that was being pressed.
Then there was a whole bunch of hardware products being sold from Phase Linear, DBX, etc; to address our complaints of poor dynamic range and noise.
To hear some talk today you'd think these problems didn't & don't exist.

Let's not forget the Burwen 1201A for reduction of steady-state record noise and the KLH TNE-7000 to address the clicks and pops. The noise level of most records bothered me so much that I ran both in my system back when records were the highest fidelity available to most consumers.

 

[Sal1950]

Let's not forget the Burwen 1201A for reduction of steady-state record noise and the KLH TNE-7000 to address the clicks and pops. The noise level of most records bothered me so much that I ran both in my system back when records were the highest fidelity available to most consumers.

Same here, as you can see in the photo (top right) I ran a DBX-100 Sub Harmonic Synthesizer to try and gain back the low bass that
was cut from vinyl masters to make them trackable. I also ran the Phase Linear 1000 Noise Reduction & Dynamic Range Recovery unit.
When set properly it could achieve excellent results in making LP's much more listenable while removing the rumble at the same time.
Good products in their day.

 

[antcollinet]

. . . unless pitch stability was a consideration (no accident that "New Age music became a thing when CDs first appeared).
. . . unless the ticks and pops of typical, average pressings were annoying.
. . . unless one heard record wear and IGD.
Of course, to the record companies the real issue was declining sales. CDs filled that hole nicely. And SACDs and DVD audio appeared as CDs peaked and record companies attempted to stem the tide of file sharing. But we all know how that turned out, don't we?

Sorry about the diversion, here's another turntable:

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Clearly the end game of these increasingly ridiculous contraptions is heading in the direction of something like this.....

(Just to get in on the AI image generation)

 

[Robin L]

Clearly the end game of these increasingly ridiculous contraptions is heading in the direction of something like this.....

(Just to get in on the AI image generation)
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[EJ3]

I've got some SACDs where the noise floor of the room eats up the lowest-level signals of the music. Those screaming for completely uncompressed recordings don't understand how recordings work in domestic environments. This is part of the reason why folks continue to enjoy LP reproduction - a lot of them are deliberately compressed. I know people in audiophile circles complain about Brickwalling, but there has been excessive audio compression ever since recordings were first made.

Has anyone been able to measure the noise level of tinnitus?

 

[EJ3]

Clearly the end game of these increasingly ridiculous contraptions is heading in the direction of something like this.....

(Just to get in on the AI image generation)
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At least it has a tone arm & the appearance of direct drive. Now add a steampunk linear tracking device and I'll be all set.

 

[Sal1950]

Has anyone been able to measure the noise level of tinnitus?

In mono or stereo

At least it has a tone arm & the appearance of direct drive. Now add a steampunk linear tracking device and I'll be all set.

Someone had already posted this one a few weeks back.
Gear drive by H-D V-Twin !
Pretty Kool Artwork.

 

[Robin L]

Has anyone been able to measure the noise level of tinnitus?

Good question, no joke. I've known a few people with tinnitus, inevitably in music or audio. Neil Young and Pono comes to mind. I worked with a man who had a small record label, entrusted all the sound-related decisions to his recording engineer because of acute tinnitus.

 

[antcollinet]

Has anyone been able to measure the noise level of tinnitus?

Since it is not a sound and results from brain activity, I suspect it is not meaureable.

I can compare mine to measured sound though and I'd estimate about 40dB. But that is not a like for like frequency. 1KHz against about 6 or 7 for the tinnitus.

But that will vary person to person. It is also not like a continuous tone. I tend not to hear it unless I am listening for it, or somtimes it just fades up and then down again for no aparent reason (not often though - probably not even once/week.

 

[Tryphon]

Same here, as you can see in the photo (top right) I ran a DBX-100 Sub Harmonic Synthesizer to try and gain back the low bass that
was cut from vinyl masters to make them trackable. I also ran the Phase Linear 1000 Noise Reduction & Dynamic Range Recovery unit.
When set properly it could achieve excellent results in making LP's much more listenable while removing the rumble at the same time.
Good products in their day.
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Nice set-up, including the DA-F20 tuner

 

[Sal1950]

Since it is not a sound and results from brain activity, I suspect it is not meaureable.

I can compare mine to measured sound though and I'd estimate about 40dB. But that is not a like for like frequency. 1KHz against about 6 or 7 for the tinnitus.

But that will vary person to person. It is also not like a continuous tone. I tend not to hear it unless I am listening for it, or somtimes it just fades up and then down again for no aparent reason (not often though - probably not even once/week.

Mine is constantly changing in level, a white noise like hissing that can sometimes seem loud enough to wake me in the mornings.
But mostly fades to unnoticeable levels otherwise, thankfully.

 

[Thermionics]

My first CD experience was a Magnavox CDB-560 and the Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms CD.
The Phillips/Magnavox players were the ones that really opened up CD for the masses, before that they were mostly too pricey for the
Joe Sixpacks like myself. I used it for a bunch of years and never had any complaints over it's sound, good recordings always sounded great.
After that I couldn't wait for the day I could replace all my cherished recordings with this glorious sounding new format.
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Funnily enough, my primary Redbook player is a Magnavox CDB-650 that I've recapped.

 

[EERecordist]

From FB, not my original content.

Vintage turntable 1926. Maybe someone will bring back the design!

 

[Sal1950]

Vintage turntable 1926. Maybe someone will bring back the design!

Just look at that awesome platter shaft bearing,
VPI, SME, your toast. LOL

 

[rwortman]

In another post I mentioned that my first HiFi demo in a store involved a Thorens turntable. Either a TD160 or a TD145, I don’t remember the model but I remembered what it looked like and it was spring 1976. Out of my price range then. 58 years later, I bought one. Lubed it, put a new belt on it, adjusted arm bearings, etc. Listening to it right now with my AT33ev on it. Sweet. The guy who sold it to me said it came from a friend’s estate. It had an old Grado on it with a stylus that looked like a river rock under the microscope. If he was playing records with that thing, I don’t want any of them. Over 50 years old and when I dialed up 2g of VTF my digital scale showed 1.97. I added the little bumpers for the lid to stop on. It’s a mkI table in a mkII plinth.