JSmith
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I'm stating facts, not projecting. Apologies if you interpreted the post otherwise.If you are obsessed with numbers and charts then enjoy it. But, please stop projecting that onto other people.
JSmith
I'm stating facts, not projecting. Apologies if you interpreted the post otherwise.If you are obsessed with numbers and charts then enjoy it. But, please stop projecting that onto other people.
Stai assegnando un valore "valore" di qualcosa ad altre persone in base ai tuoi valori, bisogni, budget, simpatie e antipatie.
I’ve got to ask, because you’ve said it twice now, why is it that you believe people are ‘projecting’ onto others. What does that even mean? People here are expressing their personal subjective opinion on an online forum, on a product that has just been objectively tested by a professional. If you feel so strongly that you are having these opinions ‘projected’ on you so much that you need to ask people to stop doing it (as you have), then why don’t you just stopping reading here?If you are obsessed with numbers and charts then enjoy it. But, please stop projecting that onto other people. Either it is audible or it is not, there is nothing else.
I get that you’re outraged they’re not responsive. If I’d spent $5k I’d be mighty salty. But the fact remains 98 SINAD and 17 bits of linearity and 100+ dynamic range and a clean multitone mean 99% of people will not hear the slow roll-off filter through any possible speakers. Right? Did they build a Chevy and charge a Caddy price? Perhaps. But let’s call it "poor value" or "overpriced" or use the piggy bank Panther. But it is audibly transparent and therefore not broken.That filter is broken and has remained broken for months. Without it, I would have given it the postman mark but with that, it is literally broken with knowledge of the company.
Wrong. 99% of people would listen with bluetooth headphones and have zero use for this device. People who want it think it is an extremely high resolution and high fidelity gear. That is why they choose to spend $5K on it versus something else. My testing shows that it is not any of those. Its performance is similar to a no name $50 DAC. Once someone has this info and still choose to buy it, that is fine with me.I get that you’re outraged they’re not responsive. If I’d spent $5k I’d be mighty salty. But the fact remains 98 SINAD and 17 bits of linearity and 100+ dynamic range and a clean multitone mean 99% of people will not hear the slow roll-off filter through any possible speakers. Right?
Again, Amir, you’re reiterating why it’s not a good value and why someone shouldn’t purchase it. I agree completely. But you haven’t addressed the point that if someone streams Redbook to this, it comes out audibly transparent on the other end. It sounds the same as any other DAC. It’s not broken. It’s a rip-off. That’s different.Wrong. 99% of people would listen with bluetooth headphones and have zero use for this device. People who want it think it is an extremely high resolution and high fidelity gear. That is why they choose to spend $5K on it versus something else. My testing shows that it is not any of those. Its performance is similar to a no name $50 DAC. Once someone has this info and still choose to buy it, that is fine with me.
I am thinking more in terms of a 'high-end' consumer interested in the Mytek who lands on this review and might be skeptical or confused by the conclusion.I think we can all look at a device's feature set and decide for ourselves what value, if any, it may add to compensate for a device's poor measured performance.
There are numerous reviewers who will go through the various features of a given device as well, in great detail.
I think we all appreciate Amir gives us something we simply can't get elsewhere.
Completely understood. And thank you for your serviceThe issue is that the company sells itself and this product as high precision and high fidelity. Measurements don't back those claims.
That's not the market for this product. Few would buy it if told that it barely clears the bar for CD. And they sure as heck wouldn't buy it if told "sounds the same as any other DAC."Again, Amir, you’re reiterating why it’s not a good value and why someone shouldn’t purchase it. I agree completely. But you haven’t addressed the point that if someone streams Redbook to this, it comes out audibly transparent on the other end. It sounds the same as any other DAC. It’s not broken. It’s a rip-off. That’s different.
The marketing decision to use a bulky linear power supply was very wrong from the start. Besides the mains interference problem, a lot of valuable space got occupied by the large transformer, lots of reservoir caps, subsequent voltage regulators, the 115/230V switching.Actually, one could say that polish is exactly what this product is lacking. Rotate the power transformer, twist the wiring, hunt down the ground loops and fix the software bug that keeps the filter choice from working, and we'd have a lot less to grumble about. As-is, it's a complete half-ass job for 5 grand.
Apart from the filter being tailored towards audiophiles, which audible flaws does it have?I think the feature set is impressive. And ability to stuff it in this little box, doubly so. That is not in dispute. The issue is that the company sells itself and this product as high precision and high fidelity. Measurements don't back those claims. If the box did perform, I would have given it very high rating.
And I thought the Apple dongle was $16. Either way, a massive value proposition.
I will quote you stereophile review: https://www.stereophile.com/content/mytek-digital-brooklyn-bridge-ii-roon-core-preamplifier-page-2Apart from the filter being tailored towards audiophiles, which audible flaws does it have?
-Why is it broken?
Price is fine with me actually given the functionality and market positioning. What is wrong is that the design was not verified to be performant and optimized to be so. The box was put together, likely some rudimentary measurements were made and was shipped to customers. Even when stereophile review found issues with it, they still didn't do anything about it.It's poor product considering the price. But that's it. Lots of those esoteric products in the world. Poor value isn't the same as "broken".
That didn't show up in your measurements which you base your conclusions from.I will quote you stereophile review: https://www.stereophile.com/content/mytek-digital-brooklyn-bridge-ii-roon-core-preamplifier-page-2
"Downstairs, with my desktop system, I noticed some low-level noise and hash, the kind that can sometimes leak through a computer soundcard, and also some hum. The hash was not audible from the balanced or headphone outputs—only the unbalanced.
I took the BBII upstairs and connected it, unbalanced, to the living room system. Now the Wi-Fi hash was less audible. In the listening seat, at listening volume, head about 8' from the speakers, the Wi-Fi hash wasn't audible. Downstairs, at reasonable music volume, with speakers about 3' from my head, the noise/hash had been audible during very quiet passages and between tracks."
These are the kind of issues you get when the design has not been verified to be free of noise and interference which my review showed plenty of.
I explain that. My measurements show all kinds of interference in the analog output of the system:That didn't show up in your measurements which you base your conclusions from.