Multi-channel is, from my perspective, a gee-whiz, wow, isn't that cool gimmick, be it used in movie soundtracks or in music.
It is not realistic, much less real (again, from my perspective).
Indeed, as I reflect upon the topic, I would think that it would be straightforward in 2022 AD (or CE, as one prefers), to measure quantitatively and objectively, some significant aspects of the "soundfield" (maybe intensity as a function of location and wavelength, I don't know) in an actual venue of an actual musical performance, and then to compare that matrix of data, quantitatively and objectively, to the reproduction of a mono, stereo, or x.y.z multichannel recording of the performance in an arbitrary domestic environment (i.e., somebody's hifi or HT "room") with commercial (domestic) hifi equipment.
I suspect the results might be enlightening.
Hi Fi luminarys from J Gordon Holt, to Floyd Toole completely disagree with you.It is not realistic, much less real (again, from my perspective).
Cool.3 or more channel multichannel would be more accurate than mono or 2, hands down.
Anthem has made, with the AVM70, a fairly nice processor with a contained price. It is doable.Except for the requirement that costs be controlled so that they don't price out the average person who is cost sensitive. How many times have you seen posts here on ASR along the lines of "what is the cheapest amplifier I can buy for.......".
Gamers, IMO, are the most promising market for the gear we typically use. As good as headphone Atmos may be, there are few things as impressive as playing on speakers.Totally wrong my friend. Headphone listening is the driving force behind the Atmos and Spatial sound explosion on the streamers.
Your whole post reveals your complete misunderstanding of the multich music universe.
Tell the guys at QuadraphonicQuad.com that. LOL
You're correct; I'm not.Two channel cannot capture and accurately render the spatial information that further channels can. It is literally impossible.
I direct you to research at Bell Labs, and the teachings of Floyd Toole and James Johnston. I'm not convinced you're at all worth the effort of me digging up more specifics than that.
Sure. Note that I made these statements in direct response to questions and not in an attempt to prolong a thread that is undergoing endless metamorphosis.ASR's own J_J has, in presentations and posts over years and venues, also noted the technical/psychoacoustic deficiencies inherent to two channel.
As with vinyl , it's really a case of 'even with these flaws......pleasing sound manages to happen'.
(And "you get to like what you like" -- there's no accounting for personal preference)
And really, this topic belongs in A NEW THREAD, not here.
I do not see any reference to a prior post so I cannot know to what device you are referring. mbl, perhaps?I have only ever seen one pair but has anyone heard those weird balloon driver type speaker systems?
Basically there is I believe one voice coil in a vertical position, above it there are three different balloon style drivers with the woofer being the largest naturally. When the coil moves in and out of the magnet it pushes the balloon driver in/out for a full 360° displacement for omni-directional field spread. I don't know if they are supposed to be placed in the center of the room? Which would make sense to me given the operation.
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I do not see any reference to a prior post so I cannot know to what device you are referring. mbl, perhaps?
Yep, I know all about it, I've been a subscriber for many years there also.Sal1950, Multi - channel and home cinema gear is covered in Stereophile’s sister publication,
Thanks Kal for all your activity here.Sure. Note that I made these statements in direct response to questions and not in an attempt to prolong a thread that is undergoing endless metamorphosis.
I do not think of them as gimmicky and I have heard them to sound spectacular on many occasions albeit with selected content. Since they radiate omni-directionally, theyYes the "Radialstrahler" from MBL.
I would say most of our goals in that we want to get rid of the loudspeaker as a source point and through the recording and rooms early and later reflections the speakers vanish and you get the imaging of a live event, "as if you were in the room when recorded".
Curious if this design gets you closer or further and where do you place them? If not in the center of the room would reflections from close walls be bad? I would think so but they are charging so much for the design I wonder if any other companies have done it cheaper.
Omni-directional speakers are not really talked about as being great hifi speakers so I would hate to see these types of speakers as gimmicky. But then again I'm an electronics guy and spend much more time studying that discipline vs speaker designs.