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So I guess it would be the top chart network streamer. The price certainly says it should be.
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Matrix Element X2 Streamer Review
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Maybe? At the end of the day, being the top at anything will always command a high price and it's totally OK with me. There are plenty of affordable electronics to choose from that work well and there's diminishing return after that. But the truth is, there are plenty of Network Streamers in this price range or more. But their buyers won't send that to Amir and I don't blame them, You just purchase a 5 kilobuck piece of equipment, you just want to enjoy it. We won't know if their measured performance metric is as good as this one (saying this without extensive research on specs or other available measurments). We can always say that they just have to send them in if they are confident. Sure, but let's note that Matrix did not send this in neither, a user did, and I am quite certain that ASR is not their target market, just by all the criticism Matrix get on their pricing here.
Here's a few example. Are they worth it? I don't know. For me, no they don't, for some, yes, they do, if not they would be out of business and all those companies are many decades old (much longer than Matrix by the way and it inspire confidence to some), Here are a few examples :
Naim Classic ND5 XS2 Network Music Player
Bay Bloor Radio is Toronto’s premier audio video store, family-owned/operated since 1946. TVs, speakers, headphones, turntables, custom design/installation services & in-store repairs.
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Moon 390 Network Player / Preamplifier
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baybloorradio.com
McIntosh MS500 Music Server $6,000 Review
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audiophilepure.com
Marantz SACD 30n Network Audio Streamer & CD Player
The most musical digital source player for CDs, SACDs, and high-resolution files, plus multiple streaming services. Delivered through Marantz Musical Mastering processing and a crystal-clear pre-amplifier. Crafted in Shirakawa, JapanThe most musical sound for all your digital music: Your CDs and...
I am really interested to understand how this works, because it seems kind of circular to me.
So, being top priced puts one to the 'top' ?!
Or is it top performance ?
Or general (marketing) consensus ?
What is it exactly that positions this device to the 'top' so that we, the users, agree to pay the to price in spite of not-so-top performance ?
The conversation was about the fact that this was the Top performer of all streamers measured on ASR. Well technically second after the previous version of this. why do you say "In spite of not-so-top performance" when there isn't any streamers on the market that measure better? At least on this site. Also, I don't think you should agree to pay the price, I said it's worth it for some. To pay a high price to obtain what measures the best.
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2/10 ?
It's always hard to discuss here about higher priced equipment.
I'm owning a lot of different streamer (MA i2,MA mini i3, Lumin T2, HiFi Rose RS250, Naim Uniti Atom HE, Primare PRE35 Prisma, Primare SC15, 5 Logitech Touches and a lot of RPis...).
Matrix Audio (MA) stands for me solid products in the middle price area. Especially with the current series the products are well processed (the display is for example in the i2 much better than in the mini), but (and this is for me the not the point in streamers) the firmware isn't perfect, if you're not using Roon.
Support is good, but for me Lumin (and here we're in a bit higher price area) has the real best (I don't know, when Peter take his sleep) support of all and a nearly but free firmware.
On the other side I'd a lot of problems (primarily in hardware) with products from topping and then you can take it (afder 1-2 years) only into the waste...
Also HiFi Rose want to be "high end" and their products looking fine, but the the firmware is less then beta (only as Roon endpoints their streamers are working smooth) and the support/developer (are there any?) not able to solve critical problems.
So, higher priced products can have a better support (but It's not a must). Otherwise really cheap products don't have usually any real support, because this needs money and so it's cheaper to produce every half year a new product...
I'm owning a lot of different streamer (MA i2,MA mini i3, Lumin T2, HiFi Rose RS250, Naim Uniti Atom HE, Primare PRE35 Prisma, Primare SC15, 5 Logitech Touches and a lot of RPis...).
Matrix Audio (MA) stands for me solid products in the middle price area. Especially with the current series the products are well processed (the display is for example in the i2 much better than in the mini), but (and this is for me the not the point in streamers) the firmware isn't perfect, if you're not using Roon.
Support is good, but for me Lumin (and here we're in a bit higher price area) has the real best (I don't know, when Peter take his sleep) support of all and a nearly but free firmware.
On the other side I'd a lot of problems (primarily in hardware) with products from topping and then you can take it (afder 1-2 years) only into the waste...
Also HiFi Rose want to be "high end" and their products looking fine, but the the firmware is less then beta (only as Roon endpoints their streamers are working smooth) and the support/developer (are there any?) not able to solve critical problems.
So, higher priced products can have a better support (but It's not a must). Otherwise really cheap products don't have usually any real support, because this needs money and so it's cheaper to produce every half year a new product...
My experience with MA regarding firmware is the contrary. Yes, at initial release their products are plagued with bugs but they respond really fast regarding firmware updates. For instance, with the i2 I had an issue with network dropping and contacted Wei Cao @MatrixAudio and in less than 24 hours I had a firmware update (beta) available for download and it fixed the network issue. Currently own an i2 and X-SABRE3 and both performing without a single glitch. Matrix Audio devices are really tailored to work with Roon like any other device I have ever owned. In fact, Matrix Audio devices are the only streamers for sale at the Roon Store, I guess because reliability and good Roon integration.
New firmware update from Matrix Audio integrates HIGHRESAUDIO Streaming service for element 2 Series and X-SABRE 3 plus bug fixes and some changes:
www.matrix-digi.com
Matrix Audio integrates HIGHRESAUDIO Streaming for 2nd gen element music streamers and X-SABRE 3
The 2nd gen element series music streamers firmware version V1.0.8 Build 008, X-SABER 3 firmware version V1.0.6 Build008.
These are stereo components so it’s logical that the HDMI eARC input only handles and process what it can reproduce which is stereo.
@Audiophonics just listed two brand new addition to the Matrix Element 2 line...
The Element X2 Pure, that now comes with the 9039Pro chip and some nonsense 4990€ MSRP (WTF, @MatrixAudio ?)
www.audiophonics.fr
The Element P2 Power amp, which looks pretty cool.
www.audiophonics.fr
Matrix integrated amps used to integrate ICEPower modules. What about this one, @MatrixAudio ?
The Element X2 Pure, that now comes with the 9039Pro chip and some nonsense 4990€ MSRP (WTF, @MatrixAudio ?)
MATRIX ELEMENT X2 PURE Streamer WiFi AirPlay 2 DLNA ES9038Pro 32bit 768kHz DSD512 MQA - Audiophonics
The Matrix Element X2 Pure builds on the excellent architecture of the X2, shedding its headphone amplifier stage to enhance its digital-to-analog conversion section with the latest and greatest chips from ESS...
www.audiophonics.fr
The Element P2 Power amp, which looks pretty cool.
MATRIX ELEMENT P2 Power Amplifier Class D Stereo 2x230W / Mono 1x850W 4 Ohm - Audiophonics
Continuing the Element line's identity, the Matrix Audio Element P2 power amplifier inherits a sleek, modern design that integrates seamlessly with the other models in this family...
www.audiophonics.fr
The dac with this power amp looks extremely neat. Would like to know modules used for the amp. @MatrixAudio@Audiophonics just listed two brand new addition to the Matrix Element 2 line...
The Element X2 Pure, that now comes with the 9039Pro chip and some nonsense 4990€ MSRP (WTF, @MatrixAudio ?)
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MATRIX ELEMENT X2 PURE Streamer WiFi AirPlay 2 DLNA ES9038Pro 32bit 768kHz DSD512 MQA - Audiophonics
The Matrix Element X2 Pure builds on the excellent architecture of the X2, shedding its headphone amplifier stage to enhance its digital-to-analog conversion section with the latest and greatest chips from ESS...
The Element P2 Power amp, which looks pretty cool.
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Matrix integrated amps used to integrate ICEPower modules. What about this one, @MatrixAudio ?MATRIX ELEMENT P2 Power Amplifier Class D Stereo 2x230W / Mono 1x850W 4 Ohm - Audiophonics
Continuing the Element line's identity, the Matrix Audio Element P2 power amplifier inherits a sleek, modern design that integrates seamlessly with the other models in this family...
WOW, good catch @VintageFlanker . They are not even listed yet on @MatrixAudio website.
Matrix got too comfortable with their pricing... X2 pure offer nothing more than Gustard x26pro as a dac, but cost more than 3 times as much!
When there was x sabre pro i thought: great price for solid product, but now they become like Chord, Dcs, Violectric.
Such a shame.
Was thinking about Sabre 3 with sabre 9039 chip, but i guess they will price it like 4k. Thanks no.
When there was x sabre pro i thought: great price for solid product, but now they become like Chord, Dcs, Violectric.
Such a shame.
Was thinking about Sabre 3 with sabre 9039 chip, but i guess they will price it like 4k. Thanks no.
Honestly, I'm not the one that is going to get in an open discussion about price vs performance. Matrix Audio has a proven record of excellent performance, customer service and build quality. If you are happy with Gustard and Topping, then good for you. Personally, after selling my 6 months old Topping A90D super cheap, I'm not the one that is going to purchase any Topping or Gustard unit even if they perform top class. Gustard and Topping are still cheap for a reason.....
Apples and oranges, again...
Is the X26PRO a streamer and headphones amp? Does it have a touchscreen?
Anyway, it is overpriced against regular Element X2.
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Not to mention Roon Ready which that alone brings the price up substantially…
I understand the thing about quality, but going from 3k (Element X) to 5k (Element X2 pure) they offered nothing more to the table.
Holo audio may look infinitely more expensive to make weighing 17kg in comparison to this 4kg while also having very good build quality and excellent performance... If someone wants exotic then i rather get May.
This product doesnt make sense to me.
Holo audio may look infinitely more expensive to make weighing 17kg in comparison to this 4kg while also having very good build quality and excellent performance... If someone wants exotic then i rather get May.
This product doesnt make sense to me.
Features like that doesnt cost much to be honest.
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