They claim analog filters are faster than the dsp other manufacturers are using.
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Is REL being more 'musical' than SVS a myth, or is there some real science behind this?
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I don't want to be heretical, but subwoofers have a simple job, which for most people, most of the time, they do with limited success. Choosing between them obviously can be done, but it's kind of pointless. New RELs will be as good as anything else - or even randomly better, depending on circumstances.
I wouldn't say it's heresy at all, and you'd likely be correct for some (maybe most...I don't know) of the people, some of the time. But a cold comparison of the specs and FR response graphs between the similarly priced SVS 2000 Pro Series and the REL T9i show that the SVS is clearly the better performer at that price point. The relevance of that information to anybody in their real life situation/room is a matter of personal preference and, to some extent, how much time one wants to put in on integration, etc. But, it appears to me that, everything else being equal, with some good effort and knowledge, one would likely get an audibly better result with the SVS 2000 Pro vs. the T9i.
For me, at this time, it's not a matter of upgraditis, but a need to replace what appears to be a failing sub. My own preference is to buy the best performance for the money I'm willing to spend. I have both the time, inclination, and enough knowledge and experience integrating the two R-305's to be willing to take the time to fiddle with (whichever) the new subs, measure, remeasure, reposition, etc., etc., and "get it right". Aside from the specs, there are some aspects about the SVS (the DSP and phone app) that make it especially appealing for that integration process....having spent many hours with the REL's on my knees, within inches of a working sub, counting gain and crossover knob clicks (REL owners will understand, heheh) .
For me, at this time, it's not a matter of upgraditis, but a need to replace what appears to be a failing sub. My own preference is to buy the best performance for the money I'm willing to spend. I have both the time, inclination, and enough knowledge and experience integrating the two R-305's to be willing to take the time to fiddle with (whichever) the new subs, measure, remeasure, reposition, etc., etc., and "get it right". Aside from the specs, there are some aspects about the SVS (the DSP and phone app) that make it especially appealing for that integration process....having spent many hours with the REL's on my knees, within inches of a working sub, counting gain and crossover knob clicks (REL owners will understand, heheh) .
I've first seen this guy on a recent Spare Change episode...and during that episode, Nemo mentioned he's getting a lot of subwoofers on loan from manufacturers (Emotiva, HSU, etc) coming soon.
Before that video, he said that he purchased a REL HT/1205 himself, so he's a previous REL owner.
In the Rel T5i video above, he didn't specify whether he bought this or it was loaned to him, either in the video or in the description. EPIC FAIL.
He said he's had the unit for 1 month now, which tells me it was loaned to him.
All that's to say, he's just another Youtuber doing ad-copies for companies.
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I do believe that's probably the case, just thought I'd throw it up here anyway see what people had to say, I didn't actually even watch the video myself as I didn't want it to mess with my head, even subconsiously (these guys can be VERY convincing and seem very genuine) since my SB1000 Pro is arriving today lol
Some people, maybe all of us, have favoured manufacturers for whatever reason.
We only need to see how long one of Amir's reviews gets with "counter arguments" from owners of equipment his review doesn't praise.
That is why it is so difficult to rely on any advice really.
None, or at least very few, have a broad range of real experience of lots of subwoofer, most are just re-living their own purchasing investigation
We only need to see how long one of Amir's reviews gets with "counter arguments" from owners of equipment his review doesn't praise.
That is why it is so difficult to rely on any advice really.
None, or at least very few, have a broad range of real experience of lots of subwoofer, most are just re-living their own purchasing investigation
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Glad to hear it worked out!
BTW what are you using as mains? Do you by any chance have some before/after in-room measurements now that you have it all setup - that is always very interesting to see!
He says he borrowed them from a friend.
I wish 'reviewers' would announce clearly at the very start of their videos how they got the item, if they have a background or any current connections with the company rather than mentioning it in passing or leaving it out.
He is comparing dual subwoofers to singles so the takeaway may be more about using two subs for integration (especially without room correction) than the rel excelling above the other subs he has used.
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That's way ahead of me just atm mate.
My mains are concept 20 (hence the SUB lol) The app is awesome, I just set the volume, LPF and you can even set how aggressive the roll off of the LPF. And there is a PEQ ofc for if/when I decide to have a fiddle.
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Good point. In their linear range, any two subs are essentially identical.
My most recent subs from Klipsch, Rel, and SVS definitely do not measure or sound identical. I would have been better off if I had read reviews with measurements instead of falling for marketing hype. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. The Klipsch and REL were not in the same league as my SVS and never met my expectations for music or movies.
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I'm absolutely thrilled with my SB 1000 Pro
Good to hear you like it. I managed to choose the one SVS sub that is out of stock/on backorder. So, looks like a month or so before mine will show up.
Heh...yeah. Small problem on the order of problems one might have.
In the meantime, though, with the help of the fine folks at SVS, they were able to help me solve the wired/wireless question. By using a $40 Russound (though there are others) speaker level to line level converter, I can connect my SVS subs via the speaker terminals---similarly to how the RELs are connected---just not quite as clean and elegant. Using this method would, thus, eliminate any of the uncertainties and/or possible issues concerning wireless.
For anybody else who's wondering about this....it's just a short length of (up to 14 gauge) wire from the + and - speaker terminal to the + and - of the adapter and then standard RCA out from the adapter to the input of the sub.
In the meantime, though, with the help of the fine folks at SVS, they were able to help me solve the wired/wireless question. By using a $40 Russound (though there are others) speaker level to line level converter, I can connect my SVS subs via the speaker terminals---similarly to how the RELs are connected---just not quite as clean and elegant. Using this method would, thus, eliminate any of the uncertainties and/or possible issues concerning wireless.
For anybody else who's wondering about this....it's just a short length of (up to 14 gauge) wire from the + and - speaker terminal to the + and - of the adapter and then standard RCA out from the adapter to the input of the sub.
Please be aware of the compromises you are building in to your system by going this path. You won't be able to control delays (and subwoofers have a lot of delay due to dsp). You will also be forced to send a full range signal to your speakers. You won't be able to EQ this signal without affecting the subwoofers signal adversely.
(This is why speaker level connections are a terrible idea)
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I'm assuming this one?
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-xvVW2...-1-2-Speaker-level-to-Line-level-Adapter.html
Wasn't thinking clearly. Teehee.
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