Introducing the Phono Cartridge Measurement Library

[VinyLuke]

Doesn't Shure specify 400-500pF loading capacitance for all the V-15 models? I see this also one was set at about 95pF.

Pick your poison:

 

[VinyLuke]

You did show more linear response after reducing R though. In another thread.

Yes I did. The flattest I got was with STR-100 @ 23k & 870pF.
But I joined two IC cables to get that high capacitance.

 

[Balle Clorin]

Makes me more happy with my SAS for V15IV, I got my V15 V 6474 Tonar
hyperelliptical yesterday, measurers to tomorrov….maybe
Anyway the SAS V15 V will fit old folk like me, but glad I did not buy a SAS,thanks @dalllaloiuythnbb

 

[Thomas_A]

Doesn't Shure specify 400-500pF loading capacitance for all the V-15 models? I see this also one was set at about 95pF.

If I remember correctly recommended loading was quite different between models.

 

[Thomas_A]

IIRC, all the V15V SAS are a miss. At some point I'll have to measure mine - I have B/Z/S/R versions. I think different loading may help you, though. @Thomas_A and I remembering right that you've tamed the B?

That was with the V15Vx. Seems that the III and IV models are the best with JICO SAS/B. The V15V I’ve seen are peaky with SAS/B unless loaded extreme.

BTW got a new SAS/B yesterday. Sounds fine and will measure it eventually. The rest of the SAS family with exotic cantilevers are just waste of money.

 

[VinyLuke]

Would be great to see other replacement stylii measurments for V15 V.
Maybe Tonar Shibata is actually better performer than Jico SAS?

 

[JP]

Working myself up to breaking some seals in the (maybe) near future.

XL-33, XL-44, XL-44L, XL-55, XL-55pro, XL-55mono, XL-55proII, XL-55II

 

[VinyLuke]

measurers to tomorrov….maybe

Pretty please?

 

[Thomas_A]

Would be great to see other replacement stylii measurments for V15 V.
Maybe Tonar Shibata is actually better performer than Jico SAS?

Could be. I went for the JICO SAS/B for the V15Vx since I am happy with that. Pretty low distortiion and good HF clarity when new. Prefer it over Ortofon OM40. And I like the brush damper after modification with silicon oil

 

[Thomas_A]

Working myself up to breaking some seals in the (maybe) near future.


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XL-33, XL-44, XL-44L, XL-55, XL-55pro, XL-55mono, XL-55proII, XL-55II

It will be a long winter.

 

[JP]

It will be a long winter.

Oh, I don't know. MCs are quick to measure as loading does't matter, and 5 of those are already mounted

 

[Thomas_A]

Oh, I don't know. MCs are quick to measure as loading does't matter, and 5 of those are already mounted

Right so, but I guess there is a lot more in your storage.

 

[Thomas_A]

Makes me more happy with my SAS for V15IV, I got my V15 V 6474 Tonar
hyperelliptical yesterday, measurers to tomorrov….maybe
Anyway the SAS V15 V will fit old folk like me, but glad I did not buy a SAS,thanks @dalllaloiuythnbb

The tonar will be interesting especially if distortion can match the SAS. Your SAS/B is the only one I’ve seen with slight drooping HF. The III/IV I’ve seen are typically quite linear or just a minor HF peak with the SAS/B. The V is quite different as yet different is the Vx. I remember the VxMR stylus being 2-3 dB down 10-20 kHz when loaded 140 pF. 250 pF lifted that a bit but not enough. If you have any opportunity try R=60 kOhm with your SAS/B.

 

[Balle Clorin]

V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan

• Cartridge: Shure V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan
• Stylus condition: Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan 5 minutes
• Test record: ClearAudio TRS-1007 side A track 1&2 L/R stereo
• Turntable and arm: Sony SP-212 from junk sale,30USD but speed is correct Peak wow 0.11%
• Tracking force: 1.5g Brush down, anstiskate 1.25
• Phono stage and loading settings: Parks Audio Puffin 47k 50pF. Toslink-USB converter
  • Capacitance and impedance: 50pF fixed + 125pF cables=175pF, 47k ohm
• Cable capacitance
  • 125pF cables
• Recording: no adjustment on balance, no Azimuth adjustment on cartridge, 16 bit 96Hz.Recording characteristic E500R0 (EQ for CA TRS-1007 (no treble emphasis).

Comments: rather high distortion above 5k, peakong like som ortofhones. But Ortofon 2MBlue posted here seems a better choice overall. Som aother day I can play with loading

Edited,

 

[aaaakkkk]

V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan



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• Cartridge: Shure V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan
• Stylus condition: Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan 5 minutes
• Test record: ClearAudio TRS-1007 side A track 1&2 L/R stereo
• Turntable and arm: Sony SP-212 from junk sale,30USD but speed is correct Peak wow 0.11%
• Tracking force: 1.5g Brush down, anstiskate 1.25
• Phono stage and loading settings: Parks Audio Puffin 47k 50pF. Toslink-USB converter
  • Capacitance and impedance: 50pF fixed + 125pF cables=175pF, 47k ohm
• Cable capacitance
  • 125pF cables
• Recording: no adjustment on balance, no Azimuth adjustment on cartridge, 16 bit 96Hz.Recording characteristic E500R0 (EQ for CA TRS-1007 (no treble emphasis).

Comments: rather high distortion above 5k, peakong like som ortofhones. But Ortofon 2MBlue posted here seems a better choice overall. Som aother day I can play with loading

Please comment the SRA .. No brush


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1.25 gram

1.5gram

SRA=86° ?
A heavy aluminum cantilever (0.5?-0.7? mm in diameter) creates a strong resonance at 20 kHz, a mountain appears with a distortion peak at 10 kHz.

 

[Thomas_A]

V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan



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• Cartridge: Shure V15 type V Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan
• Stylus condition: Tonar 6475HE hyperelliptical replacement made in in Japan 5 minutes
• Test record: ClearAudio TRS-1007 side A track 1&2 L/R stereo
• Turntable and arm: Sony SP-212 from junk sale,30USD but speed is correct Peak wow 0.11%
• Tracking force: 1.5g Brush down, anstiskate 1.25
• Phono stage and loading settings: Parks Audio Puffin 47k 50pF. Toslink-USB converter
  • Capacitance and impedance: 50pF fixed + 125pF cables=175pF, 47k ohm
• Cable capacitance
  • 125pF cables
• Recording: no adjustment on balance, no Azimuth adjustment on cartridge, 16 bit 96Hz.Recording characteristic E500R0 (EQ for CA TRS-1007 (no treble emphasis).

Comments: rather high distortion above 5k, peakong like som ortofhones. But Ortofon 2MBlue posted here seems a better choice overall. Som aother day I can play with loading

Please comment the SRA .. No brush


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1.25 gram

1.5gram

SRA still tilted wrong. Needs lower VTF? Good fr response but distortion on the high side.

 

[Balle Clorin]

Thanks , I got 85.7 SRA. So this is also going back, where on earth can a a proper replacement stylus for V15 IV or V ? I have a SAS already. Maybe I should go for a Ortofon OM replacement stylus instead?

 

[Thomas_A]

Thanks , I got 85.7 SRA. So this is also going back, where on earth can a a proper replacement stylus for V15 IV or V ? I have a SAS already. Maybe I should go for a Ortofon OM replacement stylus instead?

I don’t think there is one third party with good compliance with the original. The best ones I’ve seen measurements of are the SAS/B for the III/IV/Vx. The V is another story. You have live with that you need some loading corrections. If you can add ≈12k-15k in series with your SAS/B you should lift the high end to linear response. Regarding the OM, I would not go there. Too high distortion. If you decide to do the OM30 is the best.

 

[Balle Clorin]

Agree OM has high distortion, I probably should forget vintage stuff and replacement styluses, and get a ATVM540ML, or ?

 

[aaaakkkk]

AT-440Mla

I made a comparison of the frequency response, the same cartridge, at different suspension stiffness settings.
Vertical Tracking Force 1.4g = Tracking ability 70mkm VS Vertical Tracking Force 1.2g = Tracking ability 100mkm