Hifi amps with dsp.

[Marc v E]

Most avr can play 50 watt in all channel 5 or 7 but bi amped it it might control the speakers better

I doubt it used all of the current,power (not wattage) when only playing 2x50 watt, would be amazing having 2x50 watt but the amp using the power it has when playing 350 watt (most avr's are 7 channel)



Thats the problem. you have to buy an avr, if they just would concentrate the amp(s) in to a 2 channel only amp with no thx setting (but still dsp,room correction) less inputs since it's not used in the same way for stereo as surround, less therminals,binding posts since it max 2 pair of binding post for bi wiring and not 7 or 9 channels use the save money for better power supply,mic, d/a converter.... better sound

500 for the wiim amp pro or 1500 if you can find a good black friday deal on a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 nothing in between unlees an avr is okay

I can understand your point of view, because that's how I used to see it. The thing is a hifi amp with dsp for a decent price is rare, and will probably always stay that way. Strangely most hifi shops and reviewers don't want dsp/eq in their amps because it's not "pure". For that same reason they want class a amps. It's a strange world.

Anyway, it took me a long time to realise an avr is the cheapest way to get to hifi heaven. It can most probably be configured for a stereo or 2.1 situation, if you want to. Power is over 105 watt at 8 ohm, 135 at 6 ohm for 2 channels. And the price is low because of the high turnover. https://www.hifiklubben.no/denon-avc-x3800h-annet/denavcx3800hbk/

Hifi is a niche, thus the prices are higher.

 

[pogo]

As already mentioned, a used M10 costs around €1000. Dirac Live and the measuring microphone are usually still included. And it has enough power: Link

 

[gasolin75]

Strangely most hifi shops and reviewers don't want dsp/eq in their amps because it's not "pure"

As i remember the eq on a wiim amp isn't that good, rather disappointing

 

[Timcognito]

miniDSP SHD Power 120w/ch and Dirac (look at tests results) $1500 vs TDAI‑1120 60w/ch $2000

 

[Marc v E]

As i remember the eq on a wiim amp isn't that good, rather disappointing

The difference is that a wiim amp offers the possibility of manual eq without measurements of the speakers in your room. Imo therefor it's only a way of adding bass or treble. More or less a gimmick.

With an avr with automated eq you get a microphone that measures the speakers output at your listening position and adjusts them to have an optimal and smooth frequency response.

What you see in the measurements of speakers on this site is way different than what you would measure in your room. That's because of room boundaries/walls where the sound bounces of and cancels at certain frequencies or adds. The result is a messy frequency curve. Every room is different in size, speaker placement and listening position. Therefor a speaker will sound different in every room. The best way to counter this is with changing the speakers position, adjusting the listening position and eq. The optimal result the frequency response you see in the measurements. Where measurents and eq meet is that a speaker with an even response in a situation without a room (anechoic measurement) can easily be adjusted with eq in a room. With an uneven response the results are more unpredictable.

An avr like the one I mentioned earlier will do this process almost completely automated. This saves a lot of time and manual measurements.

 

[somebodyelse]

The difference is that a wiim amp offers the possibility of manual eq without measurements of the speakers in your room. Imo therefor it's only a way of adding bass or treble. More or less a gimmick.

With an avr with automated eq you get a microphone that measures the speakers output at your listening position and adjusts them to have an optimal and smooth frequency response.

That was true initially. Since then they've added some automation in the app. On iPhones it can use the internal mic. On Android you need an external mic like the Umic-1. Reports are that it could still use improvement, but given Wiim's track record on the app they probably will. You can still do the measurements with REW and add the necessary filters manually. You can also manually add the speaker corrections based on filter sets posted in threads here or from spinorama.org.

 

[gasolin75]

That was true initially. Since then they've added some automation in the app. On iPhones it can use the internal mic. On Android you need an external mic like the Umic-1. Reports are that it could still use improvement, but given Wiim's track record on the app they probably will. You can still do the measurements with REW and add the necessary filters manually. You can also manually add the speaker corrections based on filter sets posted in threads here or from spinorama.org.

you have this cheap option, i would buy one if i needed one

won't brake the bank and if you only gonna use it less than 10 times (different speaker or room)

with a new phone (motorola g84) i have both options

DAYTON AUDIO IMM-6S Measurement Microphone for Smartphones and Tablets - Audiophonics

The Dayton Audio iMM-6S is a professional quality measurement and recording microphone designed to work with iDevices (iPad, iPhone, iPod) as well as Android and Microsoft devices with a 3.5mm TRRS jack.

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Dayton Audio iMM-6C USB-C Measurement microphone

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[gasolin75]

Whole point with dsp like lyngdorf and for surround sound, is to get most out of the system if you can't sound dampening,improve room acoustics (you don't own your house,appartment or have no clue at all what to use for sound dampening,improved room acoustics) or already have done it but stil need to make improvements to a somewhat boom bass,midrange that isn't clear, articulate or sharp,loud highs

 

[Count Arthur]

If you have balanced/XLR connections, here's another possible solution:

I have one and I'm very pleased with it, and it's even cheaper now: https://www.thomann.co.uk/ik_multimedia_arc_studio.htm

There's a a whole thread about it here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-low-cost-solution-for-room-correction.52418/

 

[popej]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf

Not sure, what DSP in Lyngdorf specifically does, but see these:

Yamaha R-N803 Smart Receiver Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Yamaha R-N803 Receiver, amplifier, and streamer. It was purchased by a member (b-stock?) and drop shipped to me. The R-N803 costs US $750 from amazon including Prime shipping. The R-N803 has AV-style features such as Room EQ but with only two...

www.audiosciencereview.com

wondom bru5 pc dsp configurable TPA 3255 "300w x 2" mini amplifier

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004895645420.html here is their web https://store.sure-electronics.com/ but screwed if i can find it it looks like this company is more geared towards arcade, gambling and professional setups here's a screen cap of their software which gives you a taste...

www.audiosciencereview.com

R-N800A Network Receiver - Yamaha USA

Shop the Yamaha R-N800A with Hi-Fi quality, DAC, and automatic room acoustic adjustment technology.

usa.yamaha.com

IMHO AVRs are more fun. They offer more features, work for 2.1 but can be expanded to multi-channel. They aren't necessary more expensive than stereo, see for example Onkyo 7100 or Denon 3800.

 

[gasolin75]

Now i have one

Yamaha R-N800A

 

[Jukka]

Integrated amps with DSP are quite often low in power. If you were to get power hungry speakers and needed a new amplifier to drive them, it's safer bet to get a separate DSP processor.

When getting a DSP processor for stereo playback, get one that has at least 4 output channels. That will future proof you for stereo subwoofers. If you needed 4 or 16 subwoofers, the cost of DSP processors is probably not a problem for you.

When choosing a DSP processor, you might want it to be your digital preamplifier. That way you can hook it to your devices and enjoy processed sound from all sources at best quality. So choose one that has all the inputs you need, or get an input switcher.

That's how I ended up with miniDSP and am happy with it.

 

[popej]

Integrated amps with DSP are quite often low in power. If you were to get power hungry speakers and needed a new amplifier to drive them, it's safer bet to get a separate DSP processor.

I have never heard this one. Thanks, great addition to collection of audiphile myths.

 

[Jukka]

I have never heard this one. Thanks, great addition to collection of audiphile myths.

You must be new or otherwise not heard of a system that goes to 20 Hz or below with SPL 100 dB or greater. Great addition to collection of ignored members.