Hifi amps with dsp.

[Sokel]

Wait for the market to catch up and build DSP in as standard (will they? would be nice). Meanwhile, accept two boxes and add your DSP where you want it; PC, Raspberry Pi, WiiM, miniDSP etc ... plenty of options now.

It will be very difficult to built an all include device that has the performance of separate ones in isolated lab tests (look at AVRs,even nice ones) ,so worst figures to publish.
Look at Topping interfaces for example,far,far away from 120db SINAD figures,more like into 90's with just the combination of ADC+DAC .
However,if we combine two of them at normal conditions there's a gazillion of conditions that will make their combined measured perfomance a lot worst than the "bad" all in one device.

That's why I always suggest that everyone must have a way to perform some basic sanity measurement,even with a cheap interface and free tools like Multitone Analyzer or REW,etc.
I won't be accurate and it will be probably a little off from the actual performance but it will be invaluable at stuff that can create mayhem.

 

[jhaider]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

DSP for what purpose? If manual PEQ, that’s harder. If you’re looking for automated room correction, ELAC EA-101EQ and MartinLogan Forte come to mind.

 

[pogo]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

I would look for a used NAD M10 V1 or V2 with Dirac Live. You can always get them for around €1000 in Germany. The V3 is now on the market.

 

[somebodyelse]

https://nordacoustics.co.uk/product-category/dsp-dac-amp/
They seem to be essentially a Hypex FA252 or FA253 in a hifi enclosure instead of on a plate, so nCore amp plus DSP.

 

[Roland68]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

Also general since i wanna see what better options there is than a wiim amp pro

All i found was 99% amps for a subwoofer or a car, no hifi amps, no lyngdorf, no wiim amp and other hifi amps with dsp

How do i search,google for hifi amps with dsp ?

With RoomPerfect and the Lyngdorf TDAI 1120 the bar is set higher, so you would have to provide some information.
What is your maximum budget?
What do you expect from the DSP and what do you want to achieve with it? DSP is not the same as DSP.
What kind of devices do you want to connect?

 

[Slave IV]

When I look at the description for MiniDSP, it says it does not decode Dolby/DTS so are people using these mostly for tuning (room correction, crossovers, eq, delay) for music? How does it work as a "Home Theater" device if it can't decode home theater surround codecs? If you connect a TV via HDMI ARC does it just pass through any surround encoding from the TV to the amplifiers?

 

[Chrispy]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

Also general since i wanna see what better options there is than a wiim amp pro

All i found was 99% amps for a subwoofer or a car, no hifi amps, no lyngdorf, no wiim amp and other hifi amps with dsp

How do i search,google for hifi amps with dsp ?

Maybe just look for separate boxes to do what you want at this time. I'd never buy Lyngdorf personally, just not worth the price. You might want separate pre-amp/dac, power amp aand crossover to external sub, hard to know. Much 2 ch gear doesn't have much in the way of bass management.

 

[bachatero]

There are the Wondom amps which have DSP, and they're not very expensive, so consider those too!

 

[RoA]

I also vote for the Wiim Pro, Pro Plus or Ultra if your really need it. DSP is effective but fairly basic.

These options may be limiting if you need several analogue inputs. One on the first two, one and phono on the Ultra.

 

[gasolin75]

WiiM Amp at 0.001% THD has 40 times lower distortion than your fancy Lyngdorf at 0.04%

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If that's not enough, then just add an external processor like the miniDSP to any amp you deem good enough. And room correction brings much more audible changes than your amp rolling.

So low THD = good sound ?

Than nobody should buy a tube amp ?

I wanna look at what amps theres is with dsp, since i couldn't find anything than inexpensive and expensive i had to ask

 

[BeeKay]

Than nobody should buy a tube amp ?

Checking popcorn and beer supply. Leaning back, awaiting whatever may come …

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

I hope the expression "like a broken record" is still in use ...
Because it applies to the following.


OP asked for, and I quote: " Hifi amps with dsp". OP also searched Google for such and it didn't return any in OP's upper budget limit.
The reality is that such exist but not as "Hi-Fi_ amplifiers with DSP" . They're called "AVR" and many are powerful, immensely sophisticated "Hi-Fi amplifiers with DSP" . The list is very long, and span from 800 (less at times) to the OP's 2000 Euros limit.
IMHO, the better DSP out there are Audyssey (yes, that one) and DIRAC. Many seems to believe that Dirac is superior, there doesn't seem to be any study or rigorous comparisons to support that belief/assertion. Nothing so far. It remains however that these 2 : Audyssey and Dirac are superior DSP capble when properly applied to provide accurate room correction and subwoofer integration. That last part in particular is their forte with several AVRs able to support the proper integration and linearization of up to 4 subwoofers with mains. No too many " Hifi amps with dsp" can do that, I would go as far as positing, there are none, yes that includes the very interesting miniDSP SHD Power, it has "only" 2 sub out.. not 4 like the Denon AVR 3800 ... at roughly the same price.

I don't know much about Dirac or its pricing structure, I do know a lot more about Audyssey.
There are a couple of ways for Audysseys to provide superior results as DRC (Digital Room Correction_/ DSP:
1) Audyssey's Windows MultEQ_X application for about $150 (when on sale) to $200
2) Audyssey IOS App for $20. Yes, Twenty USD.

Both require patience and research to achieve superior results:
MultEQ-X work from its own GUI and can be used to provide extraordinary accurate and customizable in-room response, it can even use REW measurements... The learning curve is STEEP. There is a lot of room for errors but it it s a powerful and underrated application. it is worth its price IME.

And there is the Audyssey IOS App... Twenty USD, 2 and 0. @OCA has worked his brain to a fever to bring us, audio enthusiasts a powerful tool, using this cheap APP with a method and software that allow Audyssey to tame our room and enjoy accurate Audio reproduction. Learning curve is also STEEP, but if you follow the instructions, step by step, you get to the nirvana or whatever audio paradise you dreamt of. All that for $20 USD. lot of time , determination, patience and some brain grease.

I believe it is time that we re-evaluate what AVRs bring in the context of music reproduction in the home (or elsewhere ). They should be the centerpiece of an audio system, be it stereo or MCH. The better AVRs are virtually transparent, as in 99.99999999999999% p) of the audiophile population will not (cannot?) distinguish them in proper ABX to amplifiers with better SINAD.


Peace.

 

[gasolin75]

DSP for what purpose?

To get the best sound out of your room and what hifi components you have

 

[Marc v E]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

Also general since i wanna see what better options there is than a wiim amp pro

All i found was 99% amps for a subwoofer or a car, no hifi amps, no lyngdorf, no wiim amp and other hifi amps with dsp

How do i search,google for hifi amps with dsp ?

I would go for an avr. Like the Denon avr-3800 for example. You get dsp, bass management, good amps and a lot of connections.

 

[gasolin75]

With RoomPerfect and the Lyngdorf TDAI 1120 the bar is set higher, so you would have to provide some information.
What is your maximum budget?
What do you expect from the DSP and what do you want to achieve with it? DSP is not the same as DSP.
What kind of devices do you want to connect?

I have no budget, i listen to lyngdorf and radiant 6.2 with a nad c399 last weekend

The lyngdorf amps have RoomPerfect,dsp but just about 2000 euros is alot for me (wiim amp 500 euros), i know a wiim amp pro has dsp,that is the only inexpensive 2 channel amp with dsp i know of, everything from lyndorf and nad is not cheap

I tried google 2 channel amps with dsp, Room correction software, all i found was car and subwoofer amps which isn't what i wanted to search for, read about, surround receivers that has more channels then i need, surround software,hdmi in,out and what ever is related to surround sound, i don't need

 

[gasolin75]

OP also searched Google for such and it didn't return any in OP's upper budget limit.

NO (i have no upper limit of 2000 euros, did i have 2000 euros for an amp i would go out and listen then ask for advice)

As mention in another reply i listen to lyngdorf and higher tier speakers last weekend (some of them connected to a nad c399)

I earlier this week tried to google 2 channel amps with dsp, room correction software (since i don't have 2000 euros for a lyngdorf amp)

All i was able to search for, 99 or 99.9% of the results, was car amps and subwoofer amps with a few very cheap "hifi" options for diy people for under 100 dollars from TinyShine

Wiim amp or wiim amp pro are not to expensive, nad m10 is new more expensive than a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 (i don't need to know about surround receiver that has dsp, room correction software) 500 euros (the new wiim amp pro) or a lyngdorf TDAI-1120 for 2000 euros that is kind of a big difference when you don't need,want all the extra an avr has

If you can't search for what your looking for, you can't read about it, see what they cost,read reviews and try to find videos about the amp(s)

 

[pogo]

You can also simply loop in a DSP on the Nad C326BEE

 

[JeremyFife]

You can also simply loop in a DSP on the Nad C326BEE

Tape out => DSP => Tape in?
Presumably you'd use something like a miniDSP 2x4HD ... neat ... I keep forgetting about tape loops

 

[FrantzM]

NO (i have no upper limit of 2000 euros, did i have 2000 euros for an amp i would go out and listen tahn ask for advice)

As mention in another reply i listen to lyngdorf and higher tier speakers last weekend (some of them connected to nad c399)

I earlier this week tried to google 2 channel amps with dsp, room correction software (since i don't have 2000 euros for a lyngdorf amp)

All i was able to search for, 99 or 99.9% of the results, was car amps and subwoofer amps with a few very cheap "hifi" options for diy people for under 100 dollars from TinyShine

Wiim amp or wiim amp pro are not to expensive, nad m10 is new more expensive than a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 (i don't need to know about surround receiver that has dsp, room correction software) 500 euros (the new wiim amp pro) or a lyngdorf TDAI-1120 for 2000 euros that is kind of a big difference when you don't need,want all the extra an avr has

If you can't search for what your looking for, you can't read about it, see what they cost,read reviews and try to find videos about the amp(s)

Ok..

Did you read he rest of my post?

Peace.

 

[pogo]

Tape out => DSP => Tape in?

For example.
You could also loop in a WAXWING phono DSP. It has very interesting sound programs and can also be switched for a normal line source.