Hifi amps with dsp.

[Roland68]

Tape out => DSP => Tape in?
Presumably you'd use something like a miniDSP 2x4HD ... neat ... I keep forgetting about tape loops

These are not tape loops.
Many NAD and other amplifiers have a separable bridge between the preamplifier and the power amplifier, so that both parts of the device can be used independently of each other.
This allows, for example, the looping in of a DSB, active (subwoofer) crossover, e.g. the internal power amplifier for the midrange speakers and two further power amplifiers for tweeters and woofers, in an active loudspeaker.

 

[gasolin75]

Tape out => DSP => Tape in?
Presumably you'd use something like a miniDSP 2x4HD ... neat ... I keep forgetting about tape loops

NO

pre out main in

 

[gasolin75]

Ok..

Did you read he rest of my post?

Peace.

yes but only once

 

[gasolin75]

These are not tape loops.
Many NAD and other amplifiers have a separable bridge between the preamplifier and the power amplifier, so that both parts of the device can be used independently of each other.
This allows, for example, the looping in of a DSB, active (subwoofer) crossover, e.g. the internal power amplifier for the midrange speakers and two further power amplifiers for tweeters and woofers, in an active loudspeaker.

not 100% correctly

There is sub out and preout,main in

Nad usually have a sub out

If for some reason i wanna have dsp i want one unit to avoid extra cable and power cable

 

[unpluggged]

I tried google 2 channel amps with dsp, Room correction software, all i found was car and subwoofer amps which isn't what i wanted to search for, read about, surround receivers that has more channels then i need, surround software,hdmi in,out and what ever is related to surround sound, i don't need

Seems you did not try your best.

This is an option:

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[ThatSoundsGood]

MiniDSP into a Buckeye amplifier is all you need.

 

[JeremyFife]

These are not tape loops.
Many NAD and other amplifiers have a separable bridge between the preamplifier and the power amplifier, so that both parts of the device can be used independently of each other.
This allows, for example, the looping in of a DSB, active (subwoofer) crossover, e.g. the internal power amplifier for the midrange speakers and two further power amplifiers for tweeters and woofers, in an active loudspeaker.

Aha ... I see it: pre Out => Main In
Didn't know about that, thank you

 

[pogo]

These are not tape loops.

These are tape loops (tape monitor function) and a DSP with good gain adjustment should preferably be connected here.

 

[Roland68]

not 100% correctly

There is sub out and preout,main in

Nad usually have a sub out

If for some reason i wanna have dsp i want one unit to avoid extra cable and power cable

This is 100% correct for all NAD amplifiers that have this bridge, NAD has had it for 40 years and in dozens of devices. You can recognize it by the bridged connections labeled PRE Out and MAIN In.
In newer amplifiers, this has been eliminated more and more or replaced by other options.
However, if the devices cannot be completely split into 2 separate areas, then that has nothing to do with this functionality.

 

[Timcognito]

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"Although lacking analog inputs, Chromecast Built-in, Apple AirPlay, and a headphone output, the SHD Power includes features not normally found in a budget integrated amplifier-DAC: Roon Ready network streaming capability, parametric equalization, Dirac Live room correction, and adjustable high-pass/low-pass crossover filters. The SHD Power also runs the open-source Volumio music player, which is accessed through a web-based interface and supports Tidal, Qobuz, HighResAudio, Spotify (via a plugin), and internet radio. Considering its reasonable price, the SHD Power is remarkably fully featured."

 

[Roland68]

These are tape loops (tape monitor function) and a DSP with good gain adjustment should preferably be connected here.

No, it is not, see the picture above.
If you pull out the bridges, there is no connection between the preamp and the power amplifier and no sound.
Just a little joke, NAD amplifiers are often sold as defective because these bridges are missing.

 

[pogo]

No, it is not, see the picture above.

Yes, it is, see my pictures

 

[JeremyFife]

No, it is not, see the picture above.
If you pull out the bridges, there is no connection between the preamp and the power amplifier and no sound.
Just a little joke, NAD amplifiers are often sold as defective because these bridges are missing.

I'm going shopping for "broken" NAD amps!!

 

[Roland68]

Yes, it is, see my pictures

View attachment 406772 View attachment 406773

It doesn't matter, you don't understand, that's not what I was talking about.

 

[gasolin75]

Nad C 700 V2 has it from early 2025

 

[Marc v E]

So low THD = good sound ?

Than nobody should buy a tube amp ?

I wanna look at what amps theres is with dsp, since i couldn't find anything than inexpensive and expensive i had to ask

Actually good sound is made of good speakers, a subwoofer (or 2) an amp with dsp (imo best is an avr) and then you're done.

An amplifier and dac with low distortion is nice to have. But and this is a big but, I've never heard it improve sound quality. Good speakers, having solid bass either through tower speakers or subs will make all the difference. Having good sound in your room is only possible with good dsp. Avr is the way to go imo as they offer so much for relatively little money compared to hifi amps that lack in pretty much every area that counts, ie sub integration and eq by dsp.

 

[gasolin75]

Actually good sound is made of good speakers, a subwoofer (or 2) an amp with dsp (imo best is an avr) and then you're done.

An amplifier and dac with low distortion is nice to have. But and this is a big but, I've never heard it improve sound quality. Good speakers, having solid bass either through tower speakers or subs will make all the difference. Having good sound in your room is only possible with good dsp. Avr is the way to go imo as they offer so much for relatively little money compared to hifi amps that lack in pretty much every area that counts, ie sub integration and eq by dsp.

mabye an avr would makes sense if i could bi amp my speakers (most avr can do it) and had 2 subs, i don't

 

[Slave IV]

mabye an avr would makes sense if i could bi amp my speakers (most avr can do it) and had 2 subs, i don't

There is no need to bi-amp although you could as you stated. Most AVRs are rated at 2 channels anyways and when you use any additional channels, it just distributes the available power based on that 2 channel rating so If you only want to use 2 channels, it's going to give you that full rated power available instead of a lower amount if you use multiple channels.

 

[Marc v E]

mabye an avr would makes sense if i could bi amp my speakers (most avr can do it) and had 2 subs, i don't

A good avr like the denon x3800h costs about 1000 euros and has all the automated dsp, microphone, amps that anyone would need to get good sound in your room.

The alternative would be to buy minidsp and buy a poweramp. Then you'll need to do a lot of manual measuring to get the eq right, a steep learning curve ime. It will cost at least as much as the above mentioned avr, probably more.

But in the end it's up to you to buy what suits you best.

 

[gasolin75]

Most avr can play 50 watt in all channel 5 or 7 but bi amped it it might control the speakers better

I doubt it used all of the current,power (not wattage) when only playing 2x50 watt, would be amazing having 2x50 watt but the amp using the power it has when playing 350 watt (most avr's are 7 channel)

A good avr like the denon x3800h costs about 1000 euros and has all the automated dsp, microphone, amps that anyone would need to get good sound in your room.

Thats the problem. you have to buy an avr, if they just would concentrate the amp(s) in to a 2 channel only amp with no thx setting (but still dsp,room correction) less inputs since it's not used in the same way for stereo as surround, less therminals,binding posts since it max 2 pair of binding post for bi wiring and not 7 or 9 channels + use the saved money for better power supply,mic, d/a converter.... better sound

500 for the wiim amp pro or 1500 if you can find a good black friday deal on a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 nothing in between unlees an avr is okay