Hifi amps with dsp.

[gasolin75]

I tried to look for hifi amps with dsp like those from lyngdorf, to see what options there is, since i don't have 2000 euros for a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120

Also general since i wanna see what better options there is than a wiim amp pro

All i found was 99% amps for a subwoofer or a car, no hifi amps, no lyngdorf, no wiim amp and other hifi amps with dsp

How do i search,google for hifi amps with dsp ?

 

[bachatero]

There are zero (0) options on the market unless you want to pay big buck$ for an AVR or combine a DSP thingie with a regular amp. For the DSP + amp setup, you could try a miniDSP or Dayton DSP plus whatever amp you want.

 

[JustJones]

Minidsp SHD Power

 

[bachatero]

Minidsp SHD Power

I thought these were super expensive, though

 

[gasolin75]

wiim amp pro has dsp and are not super expensive

I just wanna search,google for hifi amps with dsp but all i found was car and subwoofer amps

 

[Chrispy]

Just what amps aren't hifi now is what I think of seeing your post....

 

[JustJones]

I thought these were super expensive, though

Cheaper than the Lyngdorf

 

[Chrispy]

Cheaper than the Lyngdorf

That doesn't mean much, otoh

 

[JustJones]

It's the only one I could think of besides the Wiim that was cheaper. Anthem STR integrated, various NADs are all more expensive.

 

[Rednaxela]

Perhaps this one second hand?

Harman Kardon HK 990 integrated amplifier

The very first amplifier I bought was a Harman Kardon PC-200, aka The Prelude. It was a 10Wpc integrated, but I chose it over the competition for some of the same reasons that the HK 990 has appealed to me. Almost all amps back in the1960s had a plain cake-pan chassis with tubes, capacitors, and...

www.stereophile.com

 

[BeeKay]

To a certain extent the Buchardt I150 could be on this list. DSP for subwoofer integration, general roomEQ (up to 1000Hz) and all kinds of digital filters across the frequency spectrum. Power stage is a Hypex NC252MP.
Seems to be sold out at the moment.

I150 Integrated Amplifier

Integrated amplifier

buchardtaudio.com

 

[GXAlan]

Used Arcam SR250. A little buggy for HDMI CEC, but great ClassG amp with Dirac Full Range.

 

[DavidMcRoy]

There are professional power amplifiers from Crown (and others?) with built-in DSP.

 

[PusBesar]

NAD C series + MDC2

 

[gasolin75]

Just what amps aren't hifi now is what I think of seeing your post....

not looking for a car or subwoofer amp but stereo amps for your home

Not shure what to call it, mabye thats why i can't google it. to find 2 channel amps with dsp as an alternative to lyngdorf, not just a wiim amp, better sound than a wiim amp at least 1 tier,class better

 

[unpluggged]

better sound than a wiim amp at least 1 tier,class better

WiiM Amp at 0.001% THD has 40 times lower distortion than your fancy Lyngdorf at 0.04%

If that's not enough, then just add an external processor like the miniDSP to any amp you deem good enough. And room correction brings much more audible changes than your amp rolling.

 

[Sokel]

WiiM Amp at 0.001% THD has 40 times lower distortion than your fancy Lyngdorf at 0.04%

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If that's not enough, then just add an external processor like the miniDSP to any amp you deem good enough. And room correction brings much more audible changes than your amp rolling.

Lyngdorf's figure (0.05%) is also for 20-20000Hz plus I believe is with processing on.
Given the measurements we have in hand for Wiim it's equivalent figure should be around 0.01% with some doubts with filters on down low.

 

[unpluggged]

Lyngdorf's figure (0.05%) is also for 20-20000Hz plus I believe is with processing on.
Given the measurements we have in hand for Wiim it's equivalent figure should be around 0.01% with some doubts with filters on down low.

This is for their TDAI-1120:

This is for SDA-2400:

I understand this is subject to measurement conditions, but still I can't see how one can seriously claim that the WiiM would sound significantly worse. And, as I have already said, DSP corrections in any case would bring a much noticeable difference.

 

[Sokel]

This is for their TDAI-1120:

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This is for SDA-2400:

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I understand this is subject to measurement conditions, but still I can't see how one can seriously claim that the WiiM would sound significantly worse. And, as I have already said, DSP corrections in any case would bring a much noticeable difference.

I'm with you at this,DSP can absolutely benefit.
But as with anything else DSP itself seems to come in different qualities and creating filters is not as easy as we think.

Have a look at this thread for example to see what problems can occur even on seasoned devices as miniDSP (years of complains partly addressed because of the thread) :

DSP Measurements and Rising Noise Floor

In several threads related to DSP platforms I've seen requests for measurements with filters engaged. I thought it unlikely that implementing filters in a DSP would have measurable effect on noise / distortion other than the obvious change in the fundamental, however @Sokel recently mentioned...

www.audiosciencereview.com

We saw some variations of degraded performance at other devices too as we saw perfect ones at RME for example.

 

[JeremyFife]

Wait for the market to catch up and build DSP in as standard (will they? would be nice). Meanwhile, accept two boxes and add your DSP where you want it; PC, Raspberry Pi, WiiM, miniDSP etc ... plenty of options now.