If you add an "A" there is - or at least was.
www.genelec.com
It's a shame it's not still in production as a "poor man's " 8361If you add an "A" there is - or at least was.
8260A - Genelec.com
A masterpiece of electro-acoustic design, the 8260A remains a milestone achievement in coaxial monitoring and mid-field precision.__The Genelec 8260A was in production between 2010 and 2019. It was replaced by the 8361A model.__
Not sure about to the poor man! It still cost an arm and a leg!The 8351b is the "poor man's" 8361.
Hi i have them both in one room - this what U are talking about is related to squashed transient representation of 8c - its like aliasing at some graphics program but in this case togeather with all other 8c specific properties makes the soundstage really ubique and enjoyable. I have still no clear answer what exacly happen there but i know for sure they are slow speakers and also very aliased - somehow filtered. The 8351B are much more wide and deep aounding speakers but they make everything sound bright and clear - due to metallic materials - they transients are crazy but they lie the same time colouring too much. The lowend and lows are damnly good with 8351b - most spatial lowend i ever heard. Cheers
I’m not sure this is accurate… I think the 8351B have very little coloration. I wouldn’t call them “metallic”. They are designed to be as neutral and accurate as possible, and that’s not warm, or textured, or having a rich midrange. The metallic coloration might not be a product of the speakers. It could come from the recording or upstream gear. I’ve struggled to find the optimum upstream gear that would do them justice, I think I got it right now with the RME Digiface AES in a minimal, all digital, source setup.
Hello,
What you wrote is interesting, and you seem to have tested many speakers. But did you do it in ABX conditions?
hi what to U mean as ABX conditions? - if It mean A / B / C .... listening then yes ... the hell yes
All Genelec speakers that I've heard have snappy/fast sound, that could be vaguely described as metallic, if they are calibrated flat with GLM/ MiniDSP and left without a room specific curve. That snappiness is one of the characteristics that made me fell in love with Genelec speakers in the late 90's.
I've noticed the same "hanging in the air" phenomena in my decently treated room. When the volume is in balance with the room, sound can almost be described as a physical object floating in the room.
They are fast and they have superb clarity
The issues i mentioned U can notice it immedatelly when doing A/B comparision. Every speaker have the cons and pros and also specific kind of representation. Thats why i have always many speakers the same time in the same room and same setup to compare - this is what i really love.
Room EQ has a lot to do with that, I think.
If U mean this spatialness effect it is not related to that - its related how transients ar pronounced and how they fade off in genelec case this is done very quickly so U have absolute volume/energy higher than when using other speakers but its not pronounced like that due to fact of quick fade out in whole spectrum.
Or/in combination with a bit excessive and slightly unbalanced acoustic treatment/decay times.
Do you think of any measurements that could back up your impressions?
ABX as in: when you don't know which speaker you're listening to and can't be biased by its look nor fame nor price tag.hi what to U mean as ABX conditions? - if It mean A / B / C .... listening then yes ... the hell yes
probably but its hard - i remember one day when i was examining the ugly brightness of the room and that was causes by ceiling plates of squeezed mineral wools - it was visible at measuremennts in decay waterfall but thats like 1 2 db of reduction in the time of reflections thats very very specific cases.
