Eversolo DMP-A6 Streamer Review

[Deckard71]

Because I'm using the DMP-A6 and the RS250, I would not say, that one of them is really better.
The Rose is a bit better processed (but also the Eversolo is ok), a much bigger screen andan included remote.
While the Rose has also a (simple) video player (showing the pictures on the own display or through the hdmi out), has the DMP-A6 a very special HDMI audio out, which supports PCM and DSD upto 5.1. This is in the streamer world unique!
The Eversolo has the option for sideloading APKs (on the Rose you can only use the apps from Rose itself).
In the beginning the Rose firmware was a disaster (if you'd not used it as Roon endpoint only). Now after some updates it has becomes a bit better, but far away from to be perfect.
Firmware developers from Eversolo are here much better (and faster) and you can control the DMP-A6 (also with casting the screen) it better.
The SQ? I'm using for both superior external DACs and avoid so also the internal volume control (both are IMHO not perfect preamps)...

Which DACs are you using? Do they have a good preamp section or do you use a dedicated preamp after your DAC?

 

[Burki]

On the main system with the DMP-A6 I'm using it primarily for multichannel through HDMI to an Emotiva XMC-1 and sometimes with a Holo Audio May DAC and the Primare PRE35 Prisma.
The Rose is only used for headphones and here I've as DAC the Cayin iDAC-6MK2 and as pres the Stax SRM-D50 or the Cayin iHA-6.

By the way: The Matrix Audio element i2 has the same DAC included, than the Rose and the SQ is very different (I prefer here the MA)...

 

[Werther44210]

Because I'm using the DMP-A6 and the RS250, I would not say, that one of them is really better.
The Rose is a bit better processed (but also the Eversolo is ok), a much bigger screen andan included remote.
While the Rose has also a (simple) video player (showing the pictures on the own display or through the hdmi out), has the DMP-A6 a very special HDMI audio out, which supports PCM and DSD upto 5.1. This is in the streamer world unique!
The Eversolo has the option for sideloading APKs (on the Rose you can only use the apps from Rose itself).
In the beginning the Rose firmware was a disaster (if you'd not used it as Roon endpoint only). Now after some updates it has becomes a bit better, but far away from to be perfect.
Firmware developers from Eversolo are here much better (and faster) and you can control the DMP-A6 (also with casting the screen) it better.
The SQ? I'm using for both superior external DACs and avoid so also the internal volume control (both are IMHO not perfect preamps)...

Good analysis of the Rose, I agree with you, the firmware is disastrous and the application complicated and not very logical. Overall, the sound from the Rose is more distorted, less linear and much less detailed. They use the same DAC, but implemented differently. When I bought the Eversolo, I said to myself, I'll give it a go and see what it sounds like, and I wasn't disappointed. The designers of DMPs seem to me to be very reactive in making their product evolve. Not everything is perfect, but this streamer is very good value for money.

 

[al2002]

A couple of questions for A6 users.

1. What app does it use to play internet radio?
2. Can unofficial apps be side loaded?

Thanks in advance.

 

[supermood]

A couple of questions for A6 users.

1. What app does it use to play internet radio?
2. Can unofficial apps be side loaded?

Thanks in advance.

1. looks like an own development is called beta. you can also add addresses. some things are missing like for example sorting of the favs but it's a start.
2. I've tried SoundCloud which was not working. install OK, but not running

 

[al2002]

1. looks like an own development is called beta. you can also add addresses. some things are missing like for example sorting of the favs but it's a start.
2. I've tried SoundCloud which was not working. install OK, but not running

Thanks Supermood.

Anyone know if vTuner, or similar can be installed?

Also, how would one play back archived programs from a radio station without using a phone or tablet, e.g.

WWOZ Stream Archive

www.wwoz.org

IF a a web browser is built into the OS That might work.

 

[Deckard71]

Steve Huff also finds the A8 DAC much better sounding. It seems that transparency does not tell all about sound:

 

[Deleted member 62535]

Steve Huff also finds the A8 DAC much better sounding. It seems that transparency does not tell all about sound:

I used to have ifi Zen Stream and I prefer ifi Zen Stream connected to my Pontus II.

with A6, i prefers to use Pontus II however it does not sound as good to my ear with ifi Zen until I added a DDC to my chain via I2S cable. perhaps something to do with the jitter and clock of A6 standard edition.

Trust your ears, use measurement as reference.

 

[ahofer]

When did this thread become the place to assert wildly improbable hearing skills and extremely bad advice, @DudeMusic and @Deckard71. To whit:

Steve Huff also finds the A8 DAC much better sounding. It seems that transparency does not tell all about sound:

Trust your ears, use measurement as reference.

Do not trust your ears. DAC measurements tell you all you need to know about audible differences. Prove otherwise or stop blathering.

 

[Nutul]

Asking myself the very same question... two different streamers feeding the same DAC, and for some magic they DO sound different.
I'm starting to believe I got it all wrong...
/s

 

[ahofer]

FFS. @BDWoody I think you may need to check IPs.

 

[Deckard71]

Asking myself the very same question... two different streamers feeding the same DAC, and for some magic they DO sound different.
I'm starting to believe I got it all wrong...
/s

No, he says that INTERNAL DAC of A8 sounds very different than INTERNAL DAC of A6

 

[Deleted member 62535]

When did this thread become the place to assert wildly improbable hearing skills and extremely bad advice, @DudeMusic and @Deckard71. To whit:





Do not trust your ears. DAC measurements tell you all you need to know about audible differences. Prove otherwise or stop blathering.

i guess i have to say to you - that is your opinions and might be some others as well. As a forum, i am just stating mine and i dont appreciate you telling me to stop blathering.

There is no right or wrong

 

[JustJones]

THREAD CLEAN UP!! Aisle 7.

 

[Nutul]

No, he says that INTERNAL DAC of A8 sounds very different than INTERNAL DAC of A6

No: starting at 9:42 he says that he connected the A8 and the Rose as plain streamers to the very same amp (a something "Maria") which happens to have also a "mind-blowing good dac" DAC. And he could hear a difference.

 

[Deleted member 21219]

i guess i have to say to you - that is your opinions and might be some others as well. As a forum, i am just stating mine and i dont appreciate you telling me to stop blathering.

There is no right or wrong

This is Audio SCIENCE review, not Audio SUBJECTIVIST Review. What counts here is scientific data, usually in the form of tests and measurements. These are verifiable and reproducible, which opinions are not.
Assertions that are not (or cannot be) verified by commonly used scientific methods have no value. The most common method for verifying assertions is a double-blind test. It uses protocols to reduce the effect of biases to the greatest degree practicable. If you are unfamiliar with a DBT, there is a video by Amir Majidimehr, the owner of this forum, which explains it.

Audio Blind Testing - You Are Doing It Wrong! (Video)

Just uploaded a video on the basics of performing controlled tests in audio. It was motivated by saving myself text in having to write all of this down when telling someone who to do these tests right. And as a counter to a few online personalities to keep saying they do "blind" tests yet when...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Right and wrong are philosophical issues. This forum is not based on philosophy, it is based on logic and the appreciation (and use) of scientific thinking. It promotes what is verifiable, and discounts what is not verifiable.

Trust your ears, use measurement as reference.

Human hearing is unstable, untrustworthy and very imperfect. It is subject to a great many biases, as I said above. This is a list of well-known biases that interfere with the ability of human beings to make accurate judgements. Some can be mitigated to a certain extent. AFAIK, none can be eliminated.

List of cognitive biases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many people reject the data provided by scientific methods, either because they do not understand the Scientific Method, or because they prefer the useful ambiguity of subjective opinions. There are members here who can help you understand the application of tests and measurements as regards audio equipment ... you need only ask.

Jim

 

[Deleted member 62535]

This is Audio SCIENCE review, not Audio SUBJECTIVIST Review. What counts here is scientific data, usually in the form of tests and measurements. These are verifiable and reproducible, which opinions are not.
Assertions that are not (or cannot be) verified by commonly used scientific methods have no value. The most common method for verifying assertions is a double-blind test. It uses protocols to reduce the effect of biases to the greatest degree practicable. If you are unfamiliar with a DBT, there is a video by Amir Majidimehr, the owner of this forum, which explains it.

Audio Blind Testing - You Are Doing It Wrong! (Video)

Just uploaded a video on the basics of performing controlled tests in audio. It was motivated by saving myself text in having to write all of this down when telling someone who to do these tests right. And as a counter to a few online personalities to keep saying they do "blind" tests yet when...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Right and wrong are philosophical issues. This forum is not based on philosophy, it is based on logic and the appreciation (and use) of scientific thinking. It promotes what is verifiable, and discounts what is not verifiable.



Human hearing is unstable, untrustworthy and very imperfect. It is subject to a great many biases, as I said above. This is a list of well-known biases that interfere with the ability of human beings to make accurate judgements. Some can be mitigated to a certain extent. AFAIK, none can be eliminated.

List of cognitive biases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many people reject the data provided by scientific methods, either because they do not understand the Scientific Method, or because they prefer the useful ambiguity of subjective opinions. There are members here who can help you understand the application of tests and measurements as regards audio equipment ... you need only ask.

Jim

First of all,

I am not here to argue, just stating my opinion. Although it seems like this forum does not take kindly to any individual forming their opinion. Can we be more civil to each other, though i doubt it. Anyway, i will refrain from further participation which are your objective, right? Because it must be "science" and nothing else, not encompassing that as human, we listen audio with our ears and "NO , we mustn't trust our ear".

Second, this tread is about DMP A6 product. So are we are all not sharing our experiences on that product.

Thirdly, nasty comments are all from so called FORUM Donors, what are the odds? no punk intended

Anyway, I am not here to argue, just reading and enjoying my journey to music. So not going to waste time replying. Cheers have a nice day to you guys too.

And to the person who shouted CLEAN up, I realised you are also a Forum Doners, cheers.

 

[ahofer]

i guess i have to say to you - that is your opinions and might be some others as well. As a forum, i am just stating mine and i dont appreciate you telling me to stop blathering.

There is no right or wrong

Stop blathering. There is right and wrong and evidence.

 

[Deleted member 62535]

Stop blathering. There is right and wrong and evidence.

ok. Asking the admin to delete my account. Cheers

 

[ahofer]

ok. Asking the admin to delete my account. Cheers

Good riddance