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Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!
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They have to change this rule, with the PC plugin we can put it on any PC as long as there is one user.
Forgetting about the $ amount - you already are paying for licencing linked to the AVR in terms of Dolby, DTS and THX licences.... they happen to be bundled - but they are still a major part of the cost of an AVR.
The difference with this one, is that it has been unbundled.
I expect that some flagship models may well bundle it into their price over time.
Apparently, a popular consumer streaming box that wholesales for $50, only pays about $2 per-unit to add Dolby Vision and Dolby Digital.
Is Google Hitting Dolby with Royalty-Free Competition?
Google to launch new royalty-free 3D audio and HDR video standards. Google's motives are likely just to shore-up its own Android & YouTube platforms with upcoming enhancements rather than competing with Dolby.
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Meanwhile, Dirac ART is likely to be $800 for a Dirac Live Full Range upgrade
It would be interesting to know what the full suite of standard AVR licences adds up to...Apparently, a popular consumer streaming box that wholesales for $50, only pays about $2 per-unit to add Dolby Vision and Dolby Digital.
Is Google Hitting Dolby with Royalty-Free Competition?
Google to launch new royalty-free 3D audio and HDR video standards. Google's motives are likely just to shore-up its own Android & YouTube platforms with upcoming enhancements rather than competing with Dolby.
Meanwhile, Dirac ART is likely to be $800 for a Dirac Live Full Range upgrade
Cost of an AVR or receiver
Obviously there needs to be profit built in, that aside, what are the costs of building an AVR or receiver? Specifically, 5.1, 7.1, 9.1 or 11.1. Is there a significant cost in the electronics or is it licensing that drives the price? Amplification, is it the power supply or components? HDMI...
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That author has stated: “We know this subject well since we have developed/sourced AVRs for most major audio brands.”
"C. Royalties 8-15%
Depends upon # of channels, SW room EQ, type of SW DSP processing SD, HD, video"
Recently, Best Buy clearanced out the Arcam AV40 at $2500 for a $4500 product.
We know Masimo Consumer has a 55% gross margin.
So maybe COGS for the AV40 is ~$1500
15% would be $225 in royalties. It might be higher %'ge as software has gotten more complex. Even taking 15% off the $2500 number is $375.
AVR-S970H is $800 msrp. Assuming margin is 55% total from start to finish, you'd say that COGS is $360 and royalty would be $55
AVR-X3800H is $1700 msrp. Assuming margin is 55% total from start to finish, you'd say that COGS is $760 and royalty would be $115
Think that's probably true of most DSPs bundled with AV Receivers. Don't think Audyssey is portable across devices either.
The iOS app is portable across devices
This is software running on a separate PC. Then a file is created and uploaded to the AVR. It's not the same as a piece of software completely embedded into the AVR. At this price point you are asking too much money to have to buy it again when you replace your AVR or if it needs to be replaced under warranty.
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Anthem is expensive but includes excellent room correction. Reliable with good customer support. I have the 520 and plan to upgrade.
However Dirac ART is a paradigm shift in Room / Speaker Correction -
The Anthem Room correction is equivalent to Dirac Live & Audyssey (and perhaps, DLBC depending on its bass handling / sub integration?)
But once you start talking about Dirac ART - we are talking about something new....
+1. I have bought a ton of Bose 901’s to use as support speakers for Dirac ART as the 901’s have nearly flat directivity below 150 Hz.
The key being this technology in the setting of a home environment with your own speakers. Using bass from other channels to control room bass has been in advanced soundbars from Sonos, and Dirac ART under the Dirac Unison brand has been proven in automobiles with correction into the kHz range given the known speaker and listener positions.
HARMAN, Dirac Research and Volvo are taking the power of sound to a whole new dimension
Bringing truly premium sound to the automotive industry has always been a challenge. The often less-than-ideal placement of loudspeakers and complicated car cabin acoustics have both been significant roadblocks for perfect audio experiences in all seats...
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do you have measurement files or screenshots to share? I'm very curious about the impact of ART.+1. I have bought a ton of Bose 901’s to use as support speakers for Dirac ART as the 901’s have nearly flat directivity below 150 Hz.
The key being this technology in the setting of a home environment with your own speakers. Using bass from other channels to control room bass has been in advanced soundbars from Sonos, and Dirac ART under the Dirac Unison brand has been proven in automobiles with correction into the kHz range given the known speaker and listener positions.
HARMAN, Dirac Research and Volvo are taking the power of sound to a whole new dimension
Bringing truly premium sound to the automotive industry has always been a challenge. The often less-than-ideal placement of loudspeakers and complicated car cabin acoustics have both been significant roadblocks for perfect audio experiences in all seats...
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We'll see.
Dirac, Audyssey and Anthem ARC are basically EQ systems with some impulse/phase correction
None of those attempt to do any active "correction" of room effects....
Dirac ART does active correction - similar to active noise cancelling headphones - in addition to and on top of the EQ and phase/impulse correction. - That makes it fundamentally different.
Sorry for the confusion. I bought those speakers in preparation of Dirac ART on a Monolith HTP-1. I don’t have Dirac ART running yet.
In theory, running Salon2’s or JBL M2’s across the board is the best solution if you had an infinite budget.
Running quad subwoofer is good too, but the best subs start to get worse at the 120-150 Hz range.
My hope is that ART in the 150-500 Hz range will benefit from speakers which do a good job in the 150-500 Hz range. So my thought is to run dual subwoofers, a pair of Bose 901’s as subs 3 and 4 and maybe another pair as front wides, where it’s a lot less critical. I already use Bose 901’s for my rear speakers. That gives me a lot of speakers that go down deep for the size and money. You just need a lot of amplifiers…
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My noise canceling ear buds are not fundamentally different. I'm agnostic and cynical. Time will tell.
It’s good to be skeptical. The biggest challenge is that Dirac still relies on a single omnidirectional microphone in contrast to Sony, Yamaha, and Trinnov. Certainly you can do a better job of “Active Room Treatment” if you also knew where the speakers were coming from as opposed to estimating from the FR response alone. This again, is one reason why Dirac Unison works better in car audio than it does in the home theater world.
Fundamentally different refers to the underlying technical approach. Think Class AB vs. H vs Class D. To your ears, the flagship options within each class will sound similar to your ears but Class D is fundamentally different in approach.
Most room correction devices correct the left speaker by manipulating the left channel. Dirac ART manipulates the left bass by utilizing every channel (that you allow it to use).
It sort of makes sense. If we say below 80 Hz is non directional and you get ambitious and say that less than 60 Hz is non directional, why don’t you take the LFE signal and if your speakers can handle it, send the below 60 Hz content to all of your other speakers since it will reduce the cumulative workload?
This in fact is how many good soundbars work. The sub 80 Hz content is reproduced by all channels, regardless of the source encoding. That’s how you get surprising bass out of a 2” or 3” driver…
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I have 5 subs and many are meant to currently balance out the room so some will definitely be on ART duty.
I use other cancelation with Polks legend series towers. These are my end game speakers unless another phase cancellation derivative is released. If you ever see them in a stereo shop, I’d recommend giving them a listen. It’s quite an experience
At least with DIRAC you can transfer the license with the device to a secondary buyer. For Audyssey it's locked to an email address. So unless you've planned ahead and made an email address you intend to transfer on, that purchase is lost once the AVR is sold.
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