I'd appreciate it if you'd learn to be a little less rude ..,Learn to read?
Thanks .
I'd appreciate it if you'd learn to be a little less rude ..,Learn to read?
What do they say about the Monitor Audio?
From the test:Regarding ATC's line-up. Hifimaailma had an interesting blind test comparing 14 speakers in the +-1000€ range. ATC SCM7 ended up in last place.
The winner was Heco Celan Revolution 3 followed by Revel M16 and Focal Aria 906.
??? Can you elaborate a little more, please?Amplification and damping play a massive role when your LF driver assembly weighs 9kg. The amplifier is moving possibly a pound of mass with each inflection [..]
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I think its €2800 in The Netherlands, I was looking for a second hand pair when I was looking for speakers because they were over my budget otherwise. After all of this and a detour with PMC Twenty.22's I'm glad I landed at the M106's.The UK price for the current model is £2150 so I'd expect that to be more like €2500.
Except the ATC drivers at all levels are being held up by users an ATC themselves as examples of state-of-the-art design, for reasons such as the extraordinarily large motor. The pricing and market positioning of the ATC dome clearly shows that they really think so.
Revel concerta 2:
In the Revel collection of the Harman Group, the Concerta2 collection, which is at an affordable end, is derived from the successful Performa3 series. Introduced three years ago, the M16 features a waveguide in front of the treble that integrates the radiation pattern into the bass midrange. The glossy piano lacquered case is rounded on the sides so that transverse grooves are made in the plain straight plate, after which the plate is bent. The inner wall is also reinforced with MDF board.
Revel's sound is well controlled and his tone is dark. There is no strain of any kind, and while the treble is muted, the speaker separates details effortlessly. For a longer period of time, this is useful, even if at first hearing the speaker doesn’t aim to make a lasting impression. In a small room, the reflex tube is worth clogging, as the bass level is quite high. The entertainingly comfortable speaker works great in a larger room and is not a hassle when loaded.
I definitely don't have a low-mid hump, I definitely don't experience any excursion limits, in fact, the lack of distortion at high SPL is second to none. The eq correction made by Amir says to me that the amp driving this test was underpowered.
I'd appreciate if you'd learn to be a little less rude ..,
Thanks .
A botched product at a price point where you can clearly rule out cost related compromises means a problem somewhere in the design phase. Unless a completely different part of the company designed those, I don't see why I can't judge the company by this result. Or are you arguing that the skills to make good active and passive speakers are completely different?
What Apple products does that not apply to?
I'm glad I landed at the M106's.
Nope, they are useless because every room is a little bit different. Especially in the low end. But above 550hz-ish I don't need any equalisation to get a good response anyway.And now you can EQ them to an even higher level through Amir's measurements!
Nope, they are useless because every room is a little bit different. Especially in the low end. But above 550hz-ish I don't need any equalisation to get a good response anyway.
How do you find their suggestion of clogging the reflex port in a small room?I think its €2800 in The Netherlands, I was looking for a second hand pair when I was looking for speakers because they were over my budget otherwise. After all of this and a detour with PMC Twenty.22's I'm glad I landed at the M106's.
Yes, this is what I fell for and made me put them on my shortlist.
I guess they are testing them in a well damped room, because I wouldn't call my M106's light on treble and dark.
He uses a class D power amplifier with the Klippel setup, don't know which one but its probably something from Crown that is capable of delivering in excess of 200W @ 8ohm. The amplifier he uses for his listening tests is a Mark Levinson monoblock with stupid amounts for power. Believe it was 500W@8ohm and 1000W@4ohm. Maybe @amirm can confirm. But if you are right then ATC's own amplifiers are severely underpowered.
Yes, I know.The current model was not what was tested.
The eq correction made by Amir says to me that the amp driving this test was underpowered.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...helf-speaker-review.14519/page-18#post-448639Maybe I missed it but who sent these over to Amir?
I've always thought that ATC, with their "pro" market, were much bigger than the usual boutique makers, with R&D facilities to match. Have I had this wrong all this time?The point I was alluding to in my last post was the difficulty of correlating a subjective opinion with a set of measurements, and which Toole is addressing.
Personally I have used Macs since '91, and up to system 9 I found them vastly superior to PCs. Now they have converged, and Mojave is not as straight forward, but the build quality has always been better, and the reliability good. My SE30 died in '05, and its Motherboard has '86 on it.
I don't think that ATC has the facilities of some of the larger companies, and so they are less likely to be able to do intensive radical research, and to me there is now a major shift going on. To denigrate ATC, given their wide usage in the audio and video industries, suggests that the users have cloth ears, and also many users have other makes of monitor with which to compare them, B&W, ADAM, Genelec and others, maybe still Quad.
With regard to amplifier power, a greater concern to me would be current supplying ability.
I think Ad Hominem stuff should be avoided, and tighter reasoning and language used.