A month has passed, discussing 7-8 AP measurements. Looks more difficult than managing the pandemic.
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Anthem AVM60 Review (AV Processor)
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Maybe they all are this bad i.e. they can't find a "golden sample" for re-testing. So their engineers are now looking for "capacitors" that will fix the issues...
Could you please create a post ranking best to worst for AV processors?Only if you believe in alien abductions along with that.
This unit was shipped to me on December 28th. I usually review products in 4 to 6 weeks from the time they get to me so here we are. The owner has had it for two years. There is more to it that would bust your theory but I don't want to disclose information without getting his permission first.
JSmith
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The graph is no good?
... or the index?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?pages/Audio_Equipment_Reviews/
JSmith
Why not just go ahead and buy the Denon X8500H? $3,000 less than the AVM90 and it includes amplification. I’ll put hard money on it right now that the AVM90 will not measure as well as the Denon.
Amir has already confirmed Audyssey is quite good, so I wouldn’t think ARC is worth $3k to get worse performance, plus the Audyssey app allows you to dial in any room curve you want.
Hmmmmmm.....
"I came into this review expecting Audyssey to not perform. That was my experience and that of formal blind testing of it years back. The out of box results of this "XT32" version was better than I remembered. Still, using the App is mandatory to properly incorporate a target curve with more bass and removal of "BBC dip." Once there, I had no issues with its performance and I think it comes very close to advanced solutions like Dirac and Anthem ARC." --Amir
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/audyssey-room-eq-review.12746/
I think so too. Matthew has a video that shows Audyssey messed up at some points but I don't know if he used XT or XT32 and with the editor app or not. If I understood right, he measured the "listening window" using some sort of simulator. I don't have his software and more accurate mic but using REW/Umik-1 mic I was able to get 20-120 Hz within less than +/- 1 dB averaging 9 positions with 1/12 smoothing. I could get a little better results for the single MLP position, less than +/- 2 dB even with no smoothing at all. Audyssey was run for all 8 mic positions, and the REW 9 positions for averaging were about 8-10 inches apart from each other up/down and left/right to the center.
Other plots such as waterfall, impulse and others all look pretty good too, so I don't know why other have issues. Even without using the editor/Ratbuddyssey, I could still get within +/- 3 to 4 dB after just one trial without any fine tuning manually (such as sub crawling, phase adjustment, playing with distance etc.).
As shown it was flat, but one can easily customize it further with the App to create the Harman recommended curve that Anthem ARC apparently used for their default target curve.
If you are referring to m post, I did not judge XT32 on the curve I posted alone, definitely not alone, thought I made that clear in my post. As a general statement I agree with you.
Yes, it was a general statement
Is that frequency response measured from Audessey? They smooth it but add some fuzz to the line to make it looks like there is no smoothing from what I understand.
But you're the second person I've had mention using two subs and audessey for very flat bass. I've used 2 subs all over the front wall, and four subs in multiple positions around the room. Used REW to level match and EQ... Everything was audibly worst than just running my Genelecs with their room correction, they just don't go as loud as deep as the woofers.
If you place your subs center front and center rear though, maybe that's the difference. The best sound from a set of four subwoofers was turning the front ones off, and having the rear two right behind the couch.
If you are referring to the graphs I posted, they were measured with REW and Umik-1 mic with the mic in 9 different positions spaced about 10 inches to each other in the up, down, left, right (relative to the main mic position) directions and then use REW's averaging feature.
The results shown is a little worse than if not averaged, because after a Audyssey run, if you then measure the actual FR with REW, you will typically get the smoothest response by placing the mic in the MLP, that is, the same position as the first Audyssey mic position.
I don't listen to that flat looking curve either, I posted that one because I used it as my baseline, from there I would try a few customized ones and pick from them for actual use.
The FR shown by Audyssey, Anthem or Dirac Live are of course only their projected frequency response. The ones I posted were "actual". Hope that's clear.
As far as sounding worse, or better after REQ, it could just be your preference that is subjective. With the curve flattened, you then have the option to customize the target curve or curves and then pick the one you get the best audible result. According to the some studies, such as Harman's most people don't prefer the "flat curve". That is regardless of which REQ you use.
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I don't believe the A110 has dual speaker presets, I think it is identical to the X8500H's core functionality missing out a few of the features present with the 2019/20 models like Bluetooth headphones transmission but the Bluetooth version has been upgraded to 4.2 like the 2020 models.
I believe you are correct. I have an A110 arriving today, dang it I made an assumption it had the '2020" features.
You will love the a110. I got it in late December to use as just a prepro. It is working trouble free.
