ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?

[bennybbbx]

Thanks. I like the AD from the D3V more based on these two recordings. If this mini dsp is the one with two inputs and four outputs I had it temporary before and I never like the sound quality out of it as it sounded always compressed and sound wise like old cheaper 16bit dac.

oh do you really hear a diffrence ?. have you do a blind test with foobar 2000 ABX ? . I hear no diffrence also with blindtest https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_abx

I have now also do a new audio record of the hyped kali LP6 on new placement of speakers. still the same. maybe this large wood cases of 6.5 inch speakers do some resonances and it is not my room that give so much mud sound. between the old post lp6 record and the new lp6 testpiece is also the room foam with ~18 qm basotec(melamin) 5 cm and 6 melamin basstraps. its mostly done to save heating costs. but all in all, better seem d3v in untreatet room as other speakers i have and they are cheaper. I pay for the foam more than 600 eur

 

[Ogunya]

oh do you really hear a diffrence ?. have you do a blind test with foobar 2000 ABX ? . I hear no diffrence also with blindtest https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_abx

I have now also do a new audio record of the hyped kali LP6 on new placement of speakers. still the same. maybe this large wood cases of 6.5 inch speakers do some resonances and it is not my room that give so much mud sound. between the old post lp6 record and the new lp6 testpiece is also the room foam with ~18 qm basotec(melamin) 5 cm and 6 melamin basstraps. its mostly done to save heating costs. but all in all, better seem d3v in untreatet room as other speakers i have and they are cheaper. I pay for the foam more than 600 eur

It is a subtle difference for me, in the low end they were the same on the first listen so I hi passed 300hz as it was in the way and listened to them without the low end.
For these tests I put the files in a daw then I cut on bars to make several sections and on each section one or the other recording plays. In the end I hit play with loop activated and minimize the daw. After some listening I go and check which is which. This is one of my methods when I need to listen for a difference.

For Kali LP6 I am not sure what I need to listen to actually. For the price is decent enough to be in the top picks if you have discounts. You mentioned you have Evo 65? The Evo box is better built, do you have the same mud you are mentioning? Have you tried closing the port on Kali with foam or hi passing order 1 (6db) on 35 to 50hz? Passive hipass filters order 1 are made with single capacitor on the signal wire, which can fix problems from time to time.

 

[bennybbbx]

For Kali LP6 I am not sure what I need to listen to actually.

in earlier posts i post the original of this testpiece. The more correct speaker is this who sound more to the original. brain do soundprocessing also. best use headphones to compare

about the d3v digital analog compare. maybe i should do a loopback and record the t.racks output if there are phase changes happen with the lots conversions. When you do EQ for hear test you add phase changes or pre ring. maybe this let then hear diffrence, because come out of range phase changes are accept by brain

when you hear without this high pass EQ you hear no diffrence ?

For the price is decent enough to be in the top picks if you have discounts. You mentioned you have Evo 65? The Evo box is better built, do you have the same mud you are mentioning? Have you tried closing the port on Kali with foam or hi passing order 1 (6db) on 35 to 50hz? Passive hipass filters order 1 are made with single capacitor on the signal wire, which can fix problems from time to time.

the evo 65 is much better as kali in mid range. I do audio examples later. also with the hyped yamaha HS5 . it sound éven more better as the kali and focal. The problem in low mids and bass is same. range 80-400 sound bad and muddy for me and bass location is worse. sound as this frequency range come from everywhere. alternative is reduce it with arc 4. this reduce this frequency, with arc 4 this give not a real bad feeling in ear but not so nice as in headphones

My other as D3v sound without EQ always bad and muddy, seem my brain create a stereo image out of the distortions between left and right channel. no fun to hear. reduce 80-400 hz bring clarity, i like the sound, but it stress the ears and i get ear tired sooner or later. I can compare with headphones. d3v have this problem not. much better bass location. I did currently not know whats the reason. maybe it is because larger speakers have larger cone so they emit the air waves in cone way and this maybe not good in nearfield. but nobody build a calotte bass woofer or a flat bass membrane for a good price. headphones also have flat membrane

I can in headphone increase 80-400 hz and in D3V. after 1 minute i think sound good too no ear stress feeling no mud feeling and bass can locate good. not so good as mids but much better as other speakers. it is not that i hear too loud

speakers are far behind to be good . because nobody test for good burst in bass. the measure software show only how a speaker work in continues frequency acceleration waves which happen not in music

 

[Ogunya]

in earlier posts i post the original of this testpiece. The more correct speaker is this who sound more to the original. brain do soundprocessing also. best use headphones to compare

about the d3v digital analog compare. maybe i should do a loopback and record the t.racks output if there are phase changes happen with the lots conversions. When you do EQ for hear test you add phase changes or pre ring. maybe this let then hear diffrence, because come out of range phase changes are accept by brain

when you hear without this high pass EQ you hear no diffrence ?



the evo 65 is much better as kali in mid range. I do audio examples later. also with the hyped yamaha HS5 . it sound éven more better as the kali and focal. The problem in low mids and bass is same. range 80-400 sound bad and muddy for me and bass location is worse. sound as this frequency range come from everywhere. alternative is reduce it with arc 4. this reduce this frequency, with arc 4 this give not a real bad feeling in ear but not so nice as in headphones

My other as D3v sound without EQ always bad and muddy, seem my brain create a stereo image out of the distortions between left and right channel. no fun to hear. reduce 80-400 hz bring clarity, i like the sound, but it stress the ears and i get ear tired sooner or later. I can compare with headphones. d3v have this problem not. much better bass location. I did currently not know whats the reason. maybe it is because larger speakers have larger cone so they emit the air waves in cone way and this maybe not good in nearfield. but nobody build a calotte bass woofer or a flat bass membrane for a good price. headphones also have flat membrane

I can in headphone increase 80-400 hz and in D3V. after 1 minute i think sound good too no ear stress feeling no mud feeling and bass can locate good. not so good as mids but much better as other speakers. it is not that i hear too loud

speakers are far behind to be good . because nobody test for good burst in bass. the measure software show only how a speaker work in continues frequency acceleration waves which happen not in music

I heard no difference in the bass as I mentioned, the eq was on the master affecting both recording. This was a simple opinion between two recording and nothing scientific about it, so you can take it with a grain of salt.

Your speakers are on a desk? If yes I would rise them on stands a bit higher (half a meter or so). 160-300hz frequencies are more desk problems if the room is not very small.

You are in the right direction with the size of the cones and how those move air. The little D3V cannot engage my room in its small size and I have them for casually listening while working.

 

[bennybbbx]

I heard no difference in the bass as I mentioned, the eq was on the master affecting both recording. This was a simple opinion between two recording and nothing scientific about it, so you can take it with a grain of salt.

Your speakers are on a desk? If yes I would rise them on stands a bit higher (half a meter or so).

my speakers are on desk currently with a 25 cm stative so tweeter is on ear height. then woofer cone is 35 cm away from desktop. My stands are Gravity SP 3102 from 26 upto 35 cm. I test when higher is also not good then bass port blow into face.

have a desk with wheels and electric to change height too. so i can test with diffrent heights and position. before d3v i use esi unik 05+ and arc 4 to get more bass direct on desktop. d3v give enough bass also on 25 cm stative. and because of smaller speakers they reach more stereo width because i can put them more outside because of smaller cone. currently i test and measure the focal alpha 65 evo . when i play audio with only left or right speaker with them give really strange feeling in ear and mud bass surround. Have something to do with the angle to the ear. when i put them in front sound better or more side too. i need reach cupboard to the left and skylight window on which i have with magnets add also basotect when i need not open it, so i can not place them on a stative more away and wider. also when i put them more away i need more volume and neighbours hear. speakers are 80 cm away

close bass port work only when it is designed and have a good damped bass. lp6 and focal alpha give more distortion then which is hard hearable. the unik 05+ have a port plug and can work as a closed speaker and get not much more distortion. currently i put the focal on desk and measure and do audio records so it is same position as d3v. with a 32 inch monitor

science tell bass below 100 hz can not locate. but i can locate 50 hz sine and when they have 60 µsec delay between left and right i hear that it is not in middle in headphones or D3V. I really like hear a woofer that is precise. here can see how worse a burst look when record from a speaker. is from d3v and lp6 . there can not see huge diffrence that can explain the much better sound of d3v. it is done with REW osciloscope. you see the signal the speaker get and signal that produce speaker and is record 1 cm away from speaker. burst from d3v

burst from kali lp6

 

[holdingpants01]

Am I the only one who doesn't get what is this thread about anymore? It's obvious that small speakers cannot do what bigger speakers can.
Anyway I like the white ones as they look like late 90s computer speakers, I kind of want them but the whole colour theme of my space is rather dark and grey so they could stick out too much. Are they like snowy white or rather warm? Hard to tell from the marketing pictures

 

[bennybbbx]

Am I the only one who doesn't get what is this thread about anymore? It's obvious that small speakers cannot do what bigger speakers can.
Anyway I like the white ones as they look like late 90s computer speakers, I kind of want them but the whole colour theme of my space is rather dark and grey so they could stick out too much. Are they like snowy white or rather warm? Hard to tell from the marketing pictures

they are as other white speakers snow white. this speaker are small but because they have the 2 passive membrane on side give them advantages epend on room to default design speakers because room modes get diffrent at least on my room .I get more level between 45 and 50 hz less at 50-60 as kali focal on left speaker. I think this is good, because give feel of more low bass as the kali lp6 or focal alpha 65 evo when 50-60 hz is reduce. this is notice as more bass and sound nicer as more in 60 hz. also hear the audio examples the snare drum. is 180 hz fundamental tone. sound on kali and focal very boomy and not tight. in the D3V sound tight and not boomy. hear original and compare. because high case resoances of large speakers the boom bas range is much louder as original and so have the feeling that low bass ist too few. hear the audio examples and compare yourself and hear snare drum. in the FR of the d3v you can see it have more level in the boom range 100-400 hz as larger speakers but larger speakers play snare much louder as original . d3v make it better.

original is stereo . I do all this speakers with same position, tilt and microphone on hearing position on tweeter height

here can see that the side passive speakers bring more low bass in some frequency range which can feel

right speakers

the d3v have not the distortion peak of 20% kali and focal have also in the important boom bass range distortion is lower. this is at hearing position so the room reflections are too visible as higher distortion

 

[Ogunya]

my speakers are on desk currently with a 25 cm stative so tweeter is on ear height. then woofer cone is 35 cm away from desktop. My stands are Gravity SP 3102 from 26 upto 35 cm. I test when higher is also not good then bass port blow into face.

have a desk with wheels and electric to change height too. so i can test with diffrent heights and position. before d3v i use esi unik 05+ and arc 4 to get more bass direct on desktop. d3v give enough bass also on 25 cm stative. and because of smaller speakers they reach more stereo width because i can put them more outside because of smaller cone. currently i test and measure the focal alpha 65 evo . when i play audio with only left or right speaker with them give really strange feeling in ear and mud bass surround. Have something to do with the angle to the ear. when i put them in front sound better or more side too. i need reach cupboard to the left and skylight window on which i have with magnets add also basotect when i need not open it, so i can not place them on a stative more away and wider. also when i put them more away i need more volume and neighbours hear. speakers are 80 cm away

close bass port work only when it is designed and have a good damped bass. lp6 and focal alpha give more distortion then which is hard hearable. the unik 05+ have a port plug and can work as a closed speaker and get not much more distortion. currently i put the focal on desk and measure and do audio records so it is same position as d3v. with a 32 inch monitor

science tell bass below 100 hz can not locate. but i can locate 50 hz sine and when they have 60 µsec delay between left and right i hear that it is not in middle in headphones or D3V. I really like hear a woofer that is precise. here can see how worse a burst look when record from a speaker. is from d3v and lp6 . there can not see huge diffrence that can explain the much better sound of d3v. it is done with REW osciloscope. you see the signal the speaker get and signal that produce speaker and is record 1 cm away from speaker. burst from d3v

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burst from kali lp6

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Maybe too much off topic and seems people are not happy, have you considered using a sub? I do use them and they fix some problems I have, but to certain extend of course. Focal Sub one is a great sub for example, a friend uses it in a small room and works really well.

On the topic I did tried the headphone out and it is disappointing

 

[bennybbbx]

Maybe too much off topic and seems people are not happy, have you considered using a sub? I do use them and they fix some problems I have, but to certain extend of course. Focal Sub one is a great sub for example, a friend uses it in a small room and works really well.

the thread title is specs and price . or should i do a new thread in speaker measurement ? I thought when i have all my speakers measure and audio records (jbl 104, yamaha HS5, esi unk 05+ i do later) i do a new thread with all this compare.
Wy should subwoofer help, when the problems in the kali and focal and less in the 5 inch speakers are mostly in 200-400 hz range ? . I think subwoofer sound not good when place below desktop or other place. And in middle i have my computer monitor

On the topic I did tried the headphone out and it is disappointing

did you notice the much more mud in the snare drum and kick high freq tail in kick too in focal and kali ?.

At end of testpiece are guitars less so can hear more the reverb tail of snare. because the d3v(most less) , hs5 , jbl 104, esi i learn not my room is the main problem. sure it is a element and maybe increase it so much, that i like the sound not. but a new house is much work and expensive. It seem speaker "reverb" add by case is much and it should not so hard to reduce it as can see in the D3V . because in REW there are no decay time overlay possible so can not good compare to see that.

is there speaker measure software out that show overlays for decay time easy ?. but anyway i dont believe that the continues sine tone measure software show the true what happen when a burst(kick drum or snare drum or other percusive should play by the speaker)

Maybe in this testpiece you like sound of snare with focal or kali more, because it sound fuller. but the point is, for hifi it should sound near as possible as original

 

[Ogunya]

the thread title is specs and price . or should i do a new thread in speaker measurement ? I thought when i have all my speakers measure and audio records (jbl 104, yamaha HS5, esi unk 05+ i do later) i do a new thread with all this compare.
Wy should subwoofer help, when the problems in the kali and focal and less in the 5 inch speakers are mostly in 200-400 hz range ? . I think subwoofer sound not good when place below desktop or other place. And in middle i have my computer monitor



did you notice the much more mud in the snare drum and kick high freq tail in kick too in focal and kali ?.

At end of testpiece are guitars less so can hear more the reverb tail of snare. because the d3v(most less) , hs5 , jbl 104, esi i learn not my room is the main problem. sure it is a element and maybe increase it so much, that i like the sound not. but a new house is much work and expensive. It seem speaker "reverb" add by case is much and it should not so hard to reduce it as can see in the D3V . because in REW there are no decay time overlay possible so can not good compare to see that.

is there speaker measure software out that show overlays for decay time easy ?. but anyway i dont believe that the continues sine tone measure software show the true what happen when a burst(kick drum or snare drum or other percusive should play by the speaker)

Maybe in this testpiece you like sound of snare with focal or kali more, because it sound fuller. but the point is, for hifi it should sound near as possible as original

I already shared 200-400 for me is mainly desk issues or small room. I use bass traps for these and placement (SBIR also to be accounted). Sub can help you with the bass port you don't like in the face as the satellites will be crossed around 80hz so you can raise them more. If you don't wanna close a port of a speaker your can use sub or you can use high pass filter with capacitors on the line (mentioned before). All of these were just ideas, which helped me to lower issues, which can be plenty enough. I will not reply anymore as too much off topic and more people will be pissed sorry, but I am just a hobbyist I doubt I know more then you at this point to help you.

 

[GK0]

I got these today and while they sound nice and the bass is impressive for such a small box, I'm having some issues that make me want to return them:

1. The volume knob doesn't set in until it goes past 1.5 dots, but once it does it shoots up rapidly. At 3 dots (which is right where my casual background listening level would be) a hair's breadth results in a difference of up to 10dB. I find myself constantly fiddling with the volume only to shoot past my desired volume in one or the other direction.

2. The Headphone output has a noticeable hiss and doesn't sound very good in general. I'm sure at this price point some corners had to be cut, but it would have been nice to have a usable headphone output.

3. Just putting them on my desk with the angled stands transfers a lot of vibration to it at medium or higher volumes. I guess there is no way to avoid this due to the small speaker size and relatively high (low?) bass output. At the moment I'm using foam pads meant for regular size bookshelf speakers to avoid this. I would have liked some kind of tailor made rubber/foam solution even if it has to be bought separately.

4. I knew this beforehand, but Toslink and unbalanced Inputs would have greatly increased the versatility for me.

 

[Ogunya]

I got these today and while they sound nice and the bass is impressive for such a small box, I'm having some issues that make me want to return them:

1. The volume knob doesn't set in until it goes past 1.5 dots, but once it does it shoots up rapidly. At 3 dots (which is right where my casual background listening level would be) a hair's breadth results in a difference of up to 10dB. I find myself constantly fiddling with the volume only to shoot past my desired volume in one or the other direction.

2. The Headphone output has a noticeable hiss and doesn't sound very good in general. I'm sure at this price point some corners had to be cut, but it would have been nice to have a usable headphone output.

3. Just putting them on my desk with the angled stands transfers a lot of vibration to it at medium or higher volumes. I guess there is no way to avoid this due to the small speaker size and relatively high (low?) bass output. At the moment I'm using foam pads meant for regular size bookshelf speakers to avoid this. I would have liked some kind of tailor made rubber/foam solution even if it has to be bought separately.

4. I knew this beforehand, but Toslink and unbalanced Inputs would have greatly increased the versatility for me.

For 1. I fixed this with 40kohm resistors on each line wire. Essentially a pad as I don't have volume control on the dac used with the speakers.

 

[GK0]

For 1. I fixed this with 40kohm resistors on each line wire. Essentially a pad as I don't have volume control on the dac used with the speakers.

I'm using the USB C input, since my Topping DX3 Pro sadly only has unbalanced outputs, so thats not really an option for me.

 

[Ogunya]

I'm using the USB C input, since my Topping DX3 Pro sadly only has unbalanced outputs, so thats not really an option for me.

The D3V accepts unbalanced connection via TS jacks.

 

[GK0]

The D3V accepts unbalanced connection via TS jacks.

Thanks, I had no Idea this was possible, guess I should've downloaded the full manual first. Wierd that they require a TRS to RCA adapter for a mono connection.

 

[Ogunya]

Thanks, I had no Idea this was possible, guess I should've downloaded the full manual first. Wierd that they require a TRS to RCA adpater for a mono connection.

Not TRS only TS or mono jack.

 

[GK0]

Not TRS only TS or mono jack.

Not according to their manual

Maybe this is how they are doing balanced/unbalanced through one input

 

[Ogunya]

Not according to their manual

Maybe this is how they are doing balanced/unbalanced through one input

Picture only shows you can solder the ring to the ground, which makes it a TS jack, but a more expensive one

 

[holdingpants01]

Not according to their manual

Maybe this is how they are doing balanced/unbalanced through one input

Why they shown RCA to TRS adapter we will never know, it's not even that easy to find one as it don't really makes much electrical sense, ring and sleeve will be soldered together anyway, so they are usually RCA to TS for a reason

 

[GK0]

Thats definitely going to make finding a cable much easier as I was only able to find a really expensive one before. Thanks to both of you for the help.