The iloud has the typical issue that it tries to do too much in a way too small enclosure using a long throw woofer with high mass for its size, long excursion and high power handing. It also has the typical issue that it tries to do too much in a way too small enclosure. When you try to do this you usually end you up with either a larger diameter port that needs to be long and doesn’t fit into the enclosure or a shorter port with smaller diameter which causes high velocity of air flow hence fart noise. This is irrelevant to enclosure size and more relevant to what you’re trying to achieve with a given size of enclosure . You can have port noise even with a 18 inch subwoofer if you want to . You can use an equalizer and adapt the response so the speaker doesn’t fart anymore and still have enough bass. Of course the passive radiator solution of the D3V is a better solution , but also the size is twice as large as the iloud. When traveling this can be important to some people. Also, if you high pass the iloud and combine it with a subwoofer, you won’t have any port noise. I have tested all of this because I had the iloud and used them with the Fostex mini sub and now I have the D3V. The biggest advantage of the iloud is its size. They are insanely small and very, very easy to transport I can fit almost anywhere.
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Adam Audio D3V compare with some 5 inch and 6.5 inch speakers in frequency response and with audio examples
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when have a small speaker case there is not so much space for the bassport. I have sell my ik multimedia MTM. this was bad even more. because the port size was not much larger as the micro monitor, but it have 2 3,5 inch drivers so it can produce more air flow. it help not much that the port was on back
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and where do you place your subwoofer. I think the best subwoofer for d3v is when can put it under the computer display in the middle as a soundbar but it is a subwoofer. I can locate low bass position very good so put on side behind is no solution for me. when distance of the sub is larger it sound even when correct the time diffrent because it create diffrent reverb
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To me 8-inches is barely a woofer. My main speakers have 12-inch woofers and I have a pair of 15-inch subs.
As to the Mtm reflex port noise . I don`t know but having heard all of these speakers i think you might expect things that small speakers can`t do.
If your aim is to hear and tune drums such as kicks and Subbass in isolation (in Solo) and want a clear loud sound then you need a 8 inch or even better 10 inch woofer monitor.
To your "when have a small speaker case there is not so much space for the bassport“ as the other person told you, it has to do with implementation not with Enclosure size.
The Woofer is most times relatively proportional to an enclosure and a Reflex port will be proportional to the Enclosure and the woofer.
The size of the enclosure is irrelevant for this.
It is not because the speaker is too small. It is because there are only finite amount of ways to tune an Enclosure. Either you get short and narrow (resulting in turbulence cause high air flow speed) of or wider and longer (not fitting inside the enclosure). Then you can go Closed (less sensitivity in the lowest regions) or Passive Radiators ( a bit more expensive to build) and then Aperiodic membrane (like a controlled „leak“ in a way) but this is not used that much anymore.
"Where do i place my Subwoofer?“ Well where it sounds best in a given room. The room dictates where to place it. You need to experiment with different positions and measurements in the room the Sub will be used. There is no One Fits All solution.
For Subwoofer placement, you can try it in the middle as you suggest and see if it sounds best. If not ….. Well then you logically need a different position.
"when distance of the sub is larger it sound even when correct the time diffrent because it create diffrent reverb“ i am having trouble following what you want to say tbh
but to me i get the feeling you have room acoustics issues if it is so hard to place a subwoofer somewhere where it sounds cohesive and nice. Also if you cross a sub
to your D3V you can do this around 60-70 hz which will make locating the sub nearly impossible. Its best if you have a smaller room to go for a smaller sub, sometimes even better two subs sometimes will help a bit to control a problematic room. 6.5 Inch or 8 inch will be sufficient for the D3V and watch the levels as experience has shown that when people first install a sub without measuring equipment they usually set it way too loud resulting in an overwhelming bass. Many times they set it up to even 9db too loud. A Sub should be set as a little filling in the lowest regions, not as a constant earthquake generator.
I wish you a good sounding solution
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the d3v can do, the other small speaker i have to test., have at 80db lots port noise . I have also in the past a eris 3.5 . this also have this problems. a kick drum is in frequency mostly in range from 50-60 hz, a snare drum at 150-250 hz . so 48 hz are for most songs good enough. the mostly stress small speakers have is the port noise i thought you mean this with your text
so i write about that and show distortion values. in nearfield get best soundquality because less room, reverb influence this happen in bass same. so if want good sound in nearfield need also put the subwoofer very near
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"the mostly stress small speakers have is the port noise“ Not exactly. The most stress for small speakers is trying to do what bigger speakers are made for especially trying to sound Big+Loud in a small Enclosure cobined with a small woofer. The biggest stress is exactly what you are doing. Expecting a small speaker to be a
magnifying glass for bass. They are simply not made for this. Physics always win
Port noise is simply a sign that you listen (too) loudly for this speaker. If you listen to an isolated bass event and sit close it is logical that the iLoud or any small reflex speaker will have Port Chuffing.
Eris 3.5 is by all respect no good speaker btw.
A Kick can be 120 Hz center frequency or 30 Hz. Everything goes. If the kick goes only till 48hz it does not mean that its not always
best to have a speaker that can go this low with ease and better yet be able to go a lot lower. Thats why if i was you i would look at speakers with more than 6 inches woofer size such as teh Kali 6 and similar.
"so i write about that and show distortion values.“ Imho You worry too much about Distortion values. I see that your main issue bothering you is Port chuffing of small speakers. The solution is simple and has the form of a bigger speaker. Simply as that.
Do you actually hear what you are measuring? Are you listening A-B and think „Oh my God so much distortion?“ i find it hard to believe.
I will gladly take in account some more distortion that a meter shows if that means i can have peace of mind and no Port farting. Set priorities. You cant have it all unless you pay a lot for it.
That is why at present i have Diy made Satellites with Scan Speak 15w 8530 Woofers and Scan speak D3004/662000 ILLUMINATOR in a Waveguide in a closed 6 liter enclosure highpassed at 80 hz and a 10 inch sub 1 meter away from me. This way i can listen to an isolated kick until my ears fly of my face without Port Chuffing. You cannot expect this from an Eris 3.5
In short. YOU NEED BIG ENOUGH SURFACE AREA WOOFERS if your main concern is listening and mixing bass music. If you don`t do this you will forever fight to make small speakers sound big. Either find bigger monitors or find a good sub. You can build a fantastic sub for 200-300 euros or buy a Presonus eris 8 or temblor 10 for example.
Anyhow, I have nothing more to add. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Rock on!
Cheers
magnifying glass for bass. They are simply not made for this. Physics always win
Port noise is simply a sign that you listen (too) loudly for this speaker. If you listen to an isolated bass event and sit close it is logical that the iLoud or any small reflex speaker will have Port Chuffing.
Eris 3.5 is by all respect no good speaker btw.
A Kick can be 120 Hz center frequency or 30 Hz. Everything goes. If the kick goes only till 48hz it does not mean that its not always
best to have a speaker that can go this low with ease and better yet be able to go a lot lower. Thats why if i was you i would look at speakers with more than 6 inches woofer size such as teh Kali 6 and similar.
"so i write about that and show distortion values.“ Imho You worry too much about Distortion values. I see that your main issue bothering you is Port chuffing of small speakers. The solution is simple and has the form of a bigger speaker. Simply as that.
Do you actually hear what you are measuring? Are you listening A-B and think „Oh my God so much distortion?“ i find it hard to believe.
I will gladly take in account some more distortion that a meter shows if that means i can have peace of mind and no Port farting. Set priorities. You cant have it all unless you pay a lot for it.
That is why at present i have Diy made Satellites with Scan Speak 15w 8530 Woofers and Scan speak D3004/662000 ILLUMINATOR in a Waveguide in a closed 6 liter enclosure highpassed at 80 hz and a 10 inch sub 1 meter away from me. This way i can listen to an isolated kick until my ears fly of my face without Port Chuffing. You cannot expect this from an Eris 3.5
In short. YOU NEED BIG ENOUGH SURFACE AREA WOOFERS if your main concern is listening and mixing bass music. If you don`t do this you will forever fight to make small speakers sound big. Either find bigger monitors or find a good sub. You can build a fantastic sub for 200-300 euros or buy a Presonus eris 8 or temblor 10 for example.
Anyhow, I have nothing more to add. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Rock on!
Cheers
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I have my room threatet and I want use speakers in ~50 cm nearfield on desktop and 80 db is not loud. when hear at 1 meter they are 74 db loud. so my results can only compare with the speakers i test, because all are test with same distance and placement and not the offical measure distance of 1 meter. stereo image is better on small speakers. for larger speakers need more distance and width so can not easy put on desktop when a display is there
it is a sign that it use no passive speakers for the bass
No, i only want explain and confirm you, that the d3v speaker give not such stress effects and no port chuffing
yes, i do measuring to confirm what i hear or to detect if i hear wrong to get the best results. i do also audio records and compare. did you know that your sound is best possible linear, have you measure your speakers ?
I lost track of where this conversation is going so forgive me if i cant invest more energy.
"it is a sign that it use no passive speakers for the bass“ - Completely irrelevant. An active speaker is a passive speaker with the amplifier mounted on the cabinet
and Passive speakers have the amplifier outside the enclosure. It makes no acoustical difference at all. 0%
Do you know B&W D801 D4? Of course you do. They are passive speakers and used in some of the best studios in the World. "Passive speakers" means nothing without context
"No, i only want explain and confirm you, that the d3v speaker give not such stress effects and no port chuffing“ It would surprise me if they had Port chuffing without using a Port. As to the Distortion. Good for you what can i say.
"yes, i do measuring to confirm what i hear or to detect if i hear wrong to get the best results. i do also audio records and compare. did you know that your sound is best possible linear, have you measure your speakers ?“
I just listed 1000 euros of Driver value to you with some of the best Drivers on the Planet. Add to that around 500 euros i spend on crossover parts then add a Dsp Processor and a 1200 euro power amplifier. What would you guess if you had to guess? do i strike you as someone who would not measure my speakers?
Anyhow. I find the conversation getting stressful and leading nowhere by now.
I am out.
Take care and God bless
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the passive radiators of the D3v output fewer unwantet frequencies(i guess it is not port noise only) as the other speakers also in the boom range from 75-90 hz. The hs5 output in some frequence also less as the other speaker. I notice it have better clarity as my larger speakers. the weak and not Hifi point of the HS5 is the bass port output much at 1 khz. so can clear see the boost of the mid range of HS5 come from bass port. this show the D3V have the best overall damping of unwantet frequencies from speakers
Fostex PM series (PM0.3, PM0.4) but for these sub is necessary. No switches for desk bounce etc. like the Adam.
I am a small speaker fan and these Adam D3V look the best in the size range. Erin likes them too.
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I notice now only at least 10 cm basotect thick can change in bass. I buy 20 tiles 30 cm x 30 cm 10 cm (1,8 qm) and place them on side and ceiling. the 6-8 qm 5 cm basotect i have before do nothing in bass frequency but now can see i get more bass and all my speakers sound not worse without EQ. no more boomy sound and i need not boost bass with eq. You see the d3v still have as much bass as the focal alpha 65 evo from 47 hz. I hear both speakers without EQ. the focal have more level at 158 hz and then less level at 600 hz. the d3v bring better clarity and room width. you can eq the focal but i think it is important to have on desktop and nearfield not larger as 5 inch larger speakers are only good in stereo width when place speakers at least 1,5 meter and left right distance between them 1.5 meter. on my desktop there is only possible 88 cm diffrence between left and right and the inner distance of the cone is 73 cm between left and right speaker. that the d3v go not so low i notice not often, because for kickdrums and bass 47 hz is mostly enough
I have for better compare allign all measure to 83 hz 88 db, the first peak. position of speakers and microphone position is same. I do the measure distance and stative simular to old measure. even with this treated room it is important to measure move speaker or microphone 10 cm more back or more in front can change low bass level also some db. so best is have desktop with wheels.
EDIT: I change the stative height for measure so both speakers are same height in the middle of bass cone. because the d3v is smaller and is more point source you can increase sound quality and stereo width by place them on stative outside middle which i do. only for this measures to be best comparable in bass i place d3v in middle of stative same as the focal alpha. and because tweeter are on diffrent X and Y explain that height get more diffrence in peak and valleys
old measure
the new measure
I have for better compare allign all measure to 83 hz 88 db, the first peak. position of speakers and microphone position is same. I do the measure distance and stative simular to old measure. even with this treated room it is important to measure move speaker or microphone 10 cm more back or more in front can change low bass level also some db. so best is have desktop with wheels.
EDIT: I change the stative height for measure so both speakers are same height in the middle of bass cone. because the d3v is smaller and is more point source you can increase sound quality and stereo width by place them on stative outside middle which i do. only for this measures to be best comparable in bass i place d3v in middle of stative same as the focal alpha. and because tweeter are on diffrent X and Y explain that height get more diffrence in peak and valleys
old measure
the new measure
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