ADAM Audio D3V specs price ?

[mrmojo]

The D3V is an excellent speaker system. I truly liked them but they’re just too big for frequent travel.

I have no intention of traveling with speakers of any kind, but the Ora4 are bigger than the D3V for someone trying to decide between them for travel. All small desktop speakers in this class are roughly the same size though.

 

[MadMaxx]

I have no intention of traveling with speakers of any kind, but the Ora4 are bigger than the D3V for someone trying to decide between them for travel. All small desktop speakers in this class are roughly the same size though.

I didn’t say you would use them for travel. I wrote the reason I decided they weren’t for me.

 

[bennybbbx]

Also, yes, there is tons of noise in this. It just gets lost in this YT version once there is a bit of action... sounds like a super sucky transcode, like it came from a 96 or even 64 kbit/s MP3, even when starting playback in 720p. Laughable. The same song on Amazon Music does not have this problem.

the d3v have also a good tweeter. record hiss and codec his can not hear so much with the dolby athmos hearing curve. see screenshot how it look. i use since 3-4 weeks dolby atmos hearing curve. I find out randomly that it sound not dull on most songs. in the past with normal tweeters i always EQ linear because too many songs sound dull. I compare normal tweeter and ribbon at lnear and i notoce for me ribbon sound not important better and i never compare them wth dolby athmosm curve. i guess the ribbon tweeter help from esi unik 05+ when you hear longer time with that setting and only 72 db loud. when hear louder it is always good for health to reduce high freq. and many songs sound not so fizzling with that curve. so i use that curve mainly, only switch to linear if 1 of the few songs i find sound too dull

this is the FR of my esi unik 05+ with dolby athmos hearing curve

 

[MattBird]

The D3V sound a lot better than the Ora4. I had both on my desk and returned the Ora4. The D3V also has better build quality, more features (mic input, rear switches), includes stands, and is cheaper. No comparison really.

What about the hiss when they stood on your desk right in front of you? In a distance of 50 cm could you here any hiss noise?

 

[mrmojo]

What about the hiss when they stood on your desk right in front of you? In a distance of 50 cm could you here any hiss noise?

absolutely no hiss.

 

[AnalogSteph]

absolutely no hiss.

So same as the EVE SC203 then, which was to be hoped but not necessarily expected.

Looks like the D3V will be hard to beat in this class, short of anyone coming around with a Purifi-grade woofer (and I don't see that happening any time soon).

 

[MattBird]

Is anyone here able to compare the Adams D3V with other small active loudspeakers such as the Focal Shape 40 or the Eve Sc203? I'm mainly interested in the sound and less in the D3V's versatile connection options. An opinion on the sound comparison with the Argon Forte A5 MK2 would also be very interesting.

 

[lewdish]

Erin measured the LP-UNF on his industry standard Klippel Nearfield Scanner, not on a desk.

That was the issue he covered in the video, he measured them using Klippel but Kali told him that theyre best used w/ a desk interface. He also went on to say that the measurements for it were not the highest quality because he had to measure it sitting on the bass module / subwoofer. So its hard to say how useful or accurate the measurements are for it because it seems like they're designed to be used w/ some desk boundary reinforcement.

 

[Monamtb]

Could be a hit for AMT tweeter aficianados. The only other tiny desktop speakers of such kind (with AMT) that come to mind are Eve Audio SC203 and they are significantly more expensive.

Yes, but there is a reason for that - the Eve Audios have an MDF cabinet - and in terms of mobility the driver is also protected by a grill - not just the ribbon tweeter.
They also have a BurrBrown DAC - and according to Adam the D3v have only 16 bit depth for compatibility reasons - if you want 24 bit depth you need an external DAC.

 

[bennybbbx]

That was the issue he covered in the video, he measured them using Klippel but Kali told him that theyre best used w/ a desk interface. He also went on to say that the measurements for it were not the highest quality because he had to measure it sitting on the bass module / subwoofer. So its hard to say how useful or accurate the measurements are for it because it seems like they're designed to be used w/ some desk boundary reinforcement.

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the picture is not the LP UNF. It is the IN UNF . the LP UNF is as a LP 6 but 4,5 inch. it have a front bass Port which is even more worse because on a rear bass port you can hear the high freq port noise due to air flow fewer. so many small speakers (5 inch and below) have a rear port. https://www.kaliaudio.com/lp-unf

oh the IN UNF design look intresting for desktop to put the monitor on the woofers. my problem with the diffrent room modes between left and right speaker maybe can solved better when i use a 13 cm height speaker. the IN UNF woofer is 13 cm. but before i buy the INF i buy better a fullrange speaker so i have a center speaker. I see from adam audio there is too a 13 cm speaker out https://www.adam-audio.com/de/a-serie/a44h/ with 13 cm speaker i mean that it have overall height of 13 cm so it the computerdisplay is not too high when put on this speaker. Put subwoofer below desktop or behind ort on side sound not good for me. I can hear position of above 50 hz sine tone good and also the longer distance give a additional strange reverb to low bass . test many with my 6.5 inch speakers as subwoofer, but i get not happy with that solution under desk or behind

 

[staticV3]

That was the issue he covered in the video, he measured them using Klippel but Kali told him that theyre best used w/ a desk interface. He also went on to say that the measurements for it were not the highest quality because he had to measure it sitting on the bass module / subwoofer. So its hard to say how useful or accurate the measurements are for it because it seems like they're designed to be used w/ some desk boundary reinforcement.

You're talking about the IN-UNF, while we were talking about the LP-UNF.

 

[denzel200219]

That was the issue he covered in the video, he measured them using Klippel but Kali told him that theyre best used w/ a desk interface. He also went on to say that the measurements for it were not the highest quality because he had to measure it sitting on the bass module / subwoofer. So its hard to say how useful or accurate the measurements are for it because it seems like they're designed to be used w/ some desk boundary reinforcement.

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All speakers should be measured with a klippel because it provides the most objective and accurate view of a speakers tonality. Obviously the room and desk are going to affect the speakers frequency response which is why we EQ, adjust the position and put room treatment. But your decision on a speaker should be how it performs on the klippel because anything else cant be relied upon

 

[lewdish]

You're talking about the IN-UNF, while we were talking about the LP-UNF.

Sorry about that my bad, got the model names mixed up

All speakers should be measured with a klippel because it provides the most objective and accurate view of a speakers tonality. Obviously the room and desk are going to affect the speakers frequency response which is why we EQ, adjust the position and put room treatment. But your decision on a speaker should be how it performs on the klippel because anything else cant be relied upon

You can measure it w/ klippel but unless youre using it as accordingly to Klippel's spec (which you couldn't in the case of IN-UNF) then the measurements wont be accurate. This is because in the case of the IN-UNF you're coupling the the boundaries and even the base itself acts as a waveguide. In the case of the IN-UNF you'd need to just have it glued/screwed onto a rod to have it measured anechoically on the NFS. However Kali's design for it was to have all the measurements include some boundary gains so its hard to gauge a level of accuracy for it in measurements.

 

[MattBird]

Is anyone here able to compare the Adams D3V with other small active loudspeakers such as the Focal Shape 40 or the Eve Sc203? I'm mainly interested in the sound and less in the D3V's versatile connection options. An opinion on the sound comparison with the Argon Forte A5 MK2 would also be very interesting. Nobody has some experiences at all?

 

[AnalogSteph]

I don't think a comparison to the 5" Argon would be particularly fair. If you compare the distortion figures to say the T5V, there's like a 6 dB difference in level handling. That's just physics. The D3V is marketed as a desktop system for good reason.

Similarly, the 4" Shape 40 is closer to the A4V (8020D, KH80).

The SC203 is about as close as you can get in terms of direct competition. About the only thing that does better is USB audio up to 24/96, while the D3V has to make to with a 16-bit-only interface which seems a bit anachronistic although it is fundamentally sufficient given the speakers' inherent level handling restrictions. You're just not used to actively using dithering any more. Now, given that I had to straighten out a wavy treble response and apply deep bass boost to the SC203, that seems like a relatively minor inconvenience in comparison.

 

[bennybbbx]

I have now the D3V get and measure it. hiss is not hearable far then 10 cm away . so this is great. in low bass the d3v can really keep up with a 5 inch speaker and have also more low bass as the JBL 104 4.5 inch

In the forum it should possible to see all screenshots image uploads of a user profile to compare easy with older speakers. because results depend on room you can judge which is the best speaker only with the speakers i test. I notice the D3V is very low on distortion compare to my other speakers. the DIP in bass on left speaker is a room mode which happen only on left. the bass is very good, deeper as 5 inch speakers and down to 48 hz same as 6,5 inch speakers. i think d3v speaker is the best . it can when hear loud and arc correct also low freq bass feeling. Only the focal alpha evo 65 can this do too without huge Port noise. but the focal miss clarity. without EQ sound very muddy. I do later record on all my speakers new testsongs. now i have only d3v record.

its the first speaker in my room that i think with default setting and no speaker correction EQ it sound great(when not do direkt compare), desktop with stative at ear height or desktop with desk large. It bring more clarity as others i have and no bass port noise or noise of passive speakers. maybe i am too distortion sensible, i see on speaker no clipping lights and kickdrum or bass sound not good when hear near the limits of d3v SPL and loud. time align of woofer to tweeter get better when tilt 15 degree with the stand and it enhance clarity even more

this arc 4 measure is do when they stand on desktop on the 15 degree stand they have. the stand have rubber so it do some decoupling. because the low bass they can do, the desk do nice low bass vibration for bass feeling when have arms on desk.

i have all switches to linear(all switches up) in the measures.

this is measure when they stand on a stative higher and tweeter is on ear height. in the 15 degree angle measure they stand on stative with the builtin 15 degree stative which is includet. see manual how easy you can use them with or without this. I tilt only 10 degree inside in all measures. less tilt in give larger stereo width noticible

distortion look really few, maybe this help for the better clarity and stereo location in the 100 upto 400 hz range in compare to my other speakers. the levels of this range are always higher but i think it sound good and not muddy on the D3V as the other speakers when do no EQ. the d3v is also the only speaker i have that i get much less strange feeling in ear when i rotate head left or right or move in front or back or sit a little higher or lower in bass range. maybe the 2 passive speakers help really or the less distortion help. because when can hear ITD of 20 µsec then distortion of woofer should be low enough to bring the time diffrence exact between left and right speaker on current time

I have 2 diffrent types of ribbon tweater and i think the ART sound best. the ribbon tweeters i have, have a little better transients but sound hard as calottes do too(in compare to headphones). the ART really sound smooth and transients are good as in headphones too. The directivity is also great in D3V. When i rotate the speakers not inside it have much less high freq reduce as my other speakers.

attached are the audio records. I hear good that the 15 degree tilt with better time align between woofer and tweeter sound better and more near to original . The other have some strange flanger effect and miss clarity. the kali LP6 audio(old record) i attach too. the tweeter is very delay and have even more flange effect miss clarity, also on snare drum. original of audio test is too attached. I do new audio tests pf ther later so i have them all with the beyerdynamic MM1 measure microphone
abx result. that 15 degree change the woofer to tweeter time so much i did not expect. A 15 degree tilt on kali should have more influence because tweeter and woofer are more far away .

 

[bennybbbx]

here is the drivers FR 1 cm near and the distortion of the passive woofer. it is very low . Are there somewhere other tests of bass port distortion results ?. maybe later i measure near field distortion of my other speakers

the DIp in woofer FR between 50-60 hz seam my room mode. crossover frequency seam near 4 khz

I have now put some rubber feets under the 15 degree stand so it is tilt 20 degree up. now step response look even more near to ideal step. I hear more diffrence in audio record as from 0 to 15 degree because the phaser sound i hear not as bad and muddy anymore in 20 degree position. I need not decide as before which sound more bad and muddy.

 

[Ktacos]

these amt tweeters sure seem to love generating distortion

 

[bennybbbx]

these amt tweeters sure seem to love generating distortion

thats room distortion. I try in nearfield 20 cm away measure. distortion is much lower. I see it give better FR so this speakers can also work when very near to ears. the more near the better HIFI sound, less room reflections (which cause distortions) you get. I do later hearing test such near. The JBL 104 which is a coax speaker did not get such a good FR when 20 cm away. I see no advantage of coax speakers in general. Or maybe there are some bettter as JBL 104 out. in this measure i have microphone at tweeter height and on stand and default tilt 15 degree up

 

[thewas]

I see no advantage of coax speakers in general. Or maybe there are some bettter as JBL 104 out.

Let me think about it...

Hmm, I think a KEF Blade or Genelec 8351 might be a tad better.