Adam Audio D3V compare with some 5 inch and 6.5 inch speakers in frequency response and with audio examples

[bennybbbx]

in short d3v have more low bass as the JBL 104 and esi unik 05+. the yamaha HS5 many youtuber have in their studio which is called have low Bass have most bass only below 40 hz . above 40 hz it have really low bass . position of speaker and microphone 75 cm to hearing position was same. i have it on desktop with a 25 cm stand

thats right speaker. diffrence happen because i can not place my desktop symmetric in room because L geometry room. treating i have ~18 qm but help not with measure results i try much diffrent placings. only decay time is shorter

now the 6.5 inch speakers in compare. only lower as 45 hz the 6.5 inch speaker rules, but they produce mud in lower mids 100-400 hz hear snare drum in audio testpiece. really great for a 3.5 inch speaker that produce no port noise. I think low bass of d3v really great, very often below 42 hz is not play important. kick drums are in range 50-70 hz so you get full punch with d3v and no nasty boom boy sound. sure the desktop have influence to this, but because d3v sound more better the problem is not desktop. speaker developers should not only test their speakers in a good room. they should do burst tests or at least test in not good rooms

right speakers

the d3v with the passive membrane sound much better as all i have even if it have high level in 100-400 hz range. i like that currently i do not reduce it because clarity also with no EQ i think great and sound warmer. on headphones i like not reduce 100-400 hz because give strange feeling in ears, but on speaker in the past was important to get clarity.

in this thread you find more explain how the audio records are done, somw burst measure https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/adam-audio-d3v-specs-price.57557/page-6

 

[bennybbbx]

I forget the testpiece original in mono so can first left then right channel record. also good to do mono records with the left channel. I also have some audio records with listening position more near. can hear the more near the speakers the more realistic to original the sound get. in the example the 50 cm focal sound also better as with more distance but in real hear it is very hear position sensitive because of the large speaker and bass port. the d3v is really great at very near field. have a large sweet spot. both speakers give more low bass at shorter distance(because room mode have less influence) and go louder. so i think better is when place the speakers more near as 80 cm

 

[DrSpan]

Yes but imho one thing is absolute bass response and in range but independent in Max Volume ability and
another thing is the fact that a small speaker that has the same -f3 with a big speaker will usually reach the same -f3 but
with a completely different authority. Also the bigger speaker will reproduce a kick or snare and other drum like sound on a completely different
level of realism.
That said, these Adams are one of the highlights in small monitors in recent years imho

 

[bennybbbx]

Also the bigger speaker will reproduce a kick or snare and other drum like sound on a completely different
level of realism.
That said, these Adams are one of the highlights in small monitors in recent years imho

I use ~80 db volume for the tests because this is a level that cause no hearing damage also when longer hear. I hear them with 75-80 db it is for me loud enough to sound great

The fun fact with the d3v is because the woofer is small and the side passive woofer is also small and look heavy and do because they are small large motion. the side passive woofers do good noticable low freq vibration on desktop and also on the floor(guess it is transfer thru desktop to floor). so it give feeling as if you hear louder.

The larger speakers give no low bass feeling at this volume. the stative stand on rubber feet. the low bass vibration is also transfer thru 2 cm basotect foam. when i not decouple large speakers they give only mid freq vibrations. so they feel as if they are less on low bass. I notice feeling of low bass give feeling as if the bass is louder. In the past i use a reckhorn BS200i bass shaker. this feel not so realistic in compare to D3v on low volume on my larger speakers. I guess it is because the BS200i do not such good transients. it have much mass and is more delay to reach position and peaks. so i did not use the BS200i and no sub . when the d3v do bassclipping i know it is too loud.

 

[DrSpan]

I use ~80 db volume for the tests because this is a level that cause no hearing damage also when longer hear. I hear them with 75-80 db it is for me loud enough to sound great

The fun fact with the d3v is because the woofer is small and the side passive woofer is also small and look heavy and do because they are small large motion. the side passive woofers do good noticable low freq vibration on desktop and also on the floor(guess it is transfer thru desktop to floor). so it give feeling as if you hear louder.

The larger speakers give no low bass feeling at this volume. the stative stand on rubber feet. the low bass vibration is also transfer thru 2 cm basotect foam. when i not decouple large speakers they give only mid freq vibrations. so they feel as if they are less on low bass. I notice feeling of low bass give feeling as if the bass is louder. In the past i use a reckhorn BS200i bass shaker. this feel not so realistic in compare to D3v on low volume on my larger speakers. I guess it is because the BS200i do not such good transients. it have much mass and is more delay to reach position and peaks. so i did not use the BS200i and no sub . when the d3v do bassclipping i know it is too loud.

My estimate is tha the extra vibrations you get is mainly because the enclosure is lightweight which isolates less and through the lack of mass transfers the vibrations to the surrounding surface its standing on. But only guessing.
Also, even if you listen at 80 db the bigger speaker will still reproduce drums and deeper drums better cause it will always be less stress when its doing the same thing as a smaller speaker. Unless we are talking a bad big speaker and a good small speaker of course.
As i said, for mastering the size where things start to get serious (of course only speaking for me) is a 4 inch woofer like on an Kh80 or Genelec 8030 and upwards and only with a sub.
I ordered a pair of D3V as cross rererence when checking mixes on small speakers and also for traveling

 

[Lasker]

I like the Adam d3v, those speakers are able to satisfy you even at a distance of two and a half meters with the side back regulations. Anyone know if on the market I can try a more long cable to increase the distance of the speakers?

 

[khuntim]

The cable is 2m? I would need 1.4m wide and my ears would be 2m.

I may use a small REL T-zero III sub.

only thing missing is a remote. I realize they are meant to be desktop speakers.

 

[bennybbbx]

The cable is 2m? I would need 1.4m wide and my ears would be 2m.

I may use a small REL T-zero III sub.

only thing missing is a remote. I realize they are meant to be desktop speakers.

the cable is 2 meter, you can place speakers ~1,7 meter width and tilt speaker inside 40 degree . you can also place stative on a 1.2 meter desktop left and right on floor near desktop. maybe ask adam audio what cables this are. i guess it is a standard cable as this. but before buy better ask adam audio if can work if need more distance.

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there can buy 3 and 5 meter versions.

 

[DrSpan]

The cable is 2m? I would need 1.4m wide and my ears would be 2m.

I may use a small REL T-zero III sub.

only thing missing is a remote. I realize they are meant to be desktop speakers.

I think its a standard 4 pole Din socket like on the iLoud Micro monitor Gen1. I think you could find such cable in the aftermarket

 

[Lasker]

the cable is 2 meter, you can place speakers ~1,7 meter width and tilt speaker inside 40 degree . you can also place stative on a 1.2 meter desktop left and right on floor near desktop. maybe ask adam audio what cables this are. i guess it is a standard cable as this. but before buy better ask adam audio if can work if need more distance.

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there can buy 3 and 5 meter versions.

Just ordered a 3 meter cable on aliexpress. It seems the same, the price is low, probably also the quality.

 

[bennybbbx]

My estimate is tha the extra vibrations you get is mainly because the enclosure is lightweight which isolates less and through the lack of mass transfers the vibrations to the surrounding surface its standing on. But only guessing.
Also, even if you listen at 80 db the bigger speaker will still reproduce drums and deeper drums better cause it will always be less stress when its doing the same thing as a smaller speaker. Unless we are talking a bad big speaker and a good small speaker of course.
As i said, for mastering the size where things start to get serious (of course only speaking for me) is a 4 inch woofer like on an Kh80 or Genelec 8030 and upwards and only with a sub.
I ordered a pair of D3V as cross rererence when checking mixes on small speakers and also for traveling

diffrence is not much on 80 db in distortion. d3v is better as kali lp6 but focal alpha 65 is better in some parts. large speakers have more distortion on port noise as the d3v in the mid range area where ears are more sensible. because you see on my measures, my room damp bass alot on all speakers. so i need boost bass on all speakers . I hear best clarity of d3v with this settings. the cambridge EQ can boost 20 db, so it seem use 3 pole filters. other DSP use 2 pol filters and limit to 12 db. to get sharper boosting and reduce curve you can use on other eq 2 eq bands with same setting. I do the eq settings with sine test of the note frequency and i modify so that i think it is same loud from and also compare with headphone. i think this is enough. I think sound better as arc 4 in bass, arc 4 do too much bass

and when boost the bass as i do, the large speakers even more increase port noise. the d3v have no high freq noise as bass reflex port have. the distortion measure of ports and passive speakers are all 1 cm near to avoid room distortions

the measure i do without EQ, this is the EQ i use currently to show that bass boost is important for good sound. I guess any room below 20 qm2 have much bass lost below 60 hz and modes. it depend on you if a sub sound better or not. sub also have problems with crossover shifts and more. maybe it is better when use for the D3v no hipass filter and use crossover of sub at 50 hz and aovid bassboost in d3v. but it is good for me. room also do on low bass not sound nice. the more low bass i have the more clarity lost. I test that with my large speakers as sub

 

[khuntim]

I think its a standard 4 pole Din socket like on the iLoud Micro monitor Gen1. I think you could find such cable in the aftermarket

I only need 1.4m wide or so, so stock cable is fine, I'd love a remote. Not seeing a lot of other small options. going to see if I can hear them tomorrow.

 

[somebodyelse]

A longer cable, or an extension, came up in the other thread. Apparently they will soon be selling one:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...adam-audio-d3v-specs-price.57557/post-2293028
Note that as this connector is often used for DC power some of the cables may have a different pinout to the one needed.

 

[DrSpan]

diffrence is not much on 80 db in distortion. d3v is better as kali lp6 but focal alpha 65 is better in some parts. large speakers have more distortion on port noise as the d3v in the mid range area where ears are more sensible. because you see on my measures, my room damp bass alot on all speakers. so i need boost bass on all speakers . I hear best clarity of d3v with this settings. the cambridge EQ can boost 20 db, so it seem use 3 pole filters. other DSP use 2 pol filters and limit to 12 db. to get sharper boosting and reduce curve you can use on other eq 2 eq bands with same setting. I do the eq settings with sine test of the note frequency and i modify so that i think it is same loud from and also compare with headphone. i think this is enough. I think sound better as arc 4 in bass, arc 4 do too much bass

and when boost the bass as i do, the large speakers even more increase port noise. the d3v have no high freq noise as bass reflex port have. the distortion measure of ports and passive speakers are all 1 cm near to avoid room distortions

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the measure i do without EQ, this is the EQ i use currently to show that bass boost is important for good sound. I guess any room below 20 qm2 have much bass lost below 60 hz and modes. it depend on you if a sub sound better or not. sub also have problems with crossover shifts and more. maybe it is better when use for the D3v no hipass filter and use crossover of sub at 50 hz and aovid bassboost in d3v. but it is good for me. room also do on low bass not sound nice. the more low bass i have the more clarity lost. I test that with my large speakers as sub

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If you have room issues then i understand that its hard to be satisfied.
To the port noise, i depends if its really noticeable or only measurable. Some of the best monitors such as the Neumann Kh 80, 120, 150 and many others have front port openings and still sound absolutely fantastic. Usually in a good design the port noise is being masked by the main radiation.
More surface area always is better when reproducing drums imho. I have never heard a comparison between two good speakers where the small one has any advantage just because it`s smaller when it comes to reproducing Drums with authority.
As to the Sub phase issues. Of course i mean crossing in in the proper way, meaning matching the phase and crossing in a way that no substantial smearing occurs.
Also our hearing is not that sensitive in bass. Thats why 2-3% distortion on a sub can even sound pleasant while 3% distortion on a speaker will sound very very bad.Long story short, i wish for you to find the right remedy and enjoy many hours with your speakers!
Peace

 

[bennybbbx]

Usually in a good design the port noise is being masked by the main radiation.

for full mixes hearing it is often not hearable but when make music often hear only the drums or bass or bass and drums also when do new sounds for bass and drums. then port noise can easy hear

 

[DrSpan]

for full mixes hearing it is often not hearable but when make music often hear only the drums or bass or bass and drums also when do new sounds for bass and drums. then port noise can easy hear

Well i always use a sub and cross the satellites at around 80hz so i never had port issues but i can only speak for me.
For me a there simply is not nearfield that is enough in the bass regions so i always cross around there as it sound good in my listening room.
I always use a sub for more than 20 years now tbh.

 

[khuntim]

All these tests are using the analog inputs or USB-C?

I think USB-C output on the Wiim Ultra would control the volume?

 

[bennybbbx]

Well i always use a sub and cross the satellites at around 80hz so i never had port issues but i can only speak for me.
For me a there simply is not nearfield that is enough in the bass regions so i always cross around there as it sound good in my listening room.
I always use a sub for more than 20 years now tbh.

I mean that port noise is more important when have small speakers with upto 5 inch. with 6.5 inch speakers port noise is not so much hearable because speaker is larger and the port is larger too. here is a video that record the port noise of the ik multimedia . there are people that like this sound. but it is not a true speaker. later when a 50 hz tone come you hear volume is not very high but bad port noise

such problems the d3v have not.

 

[somebodyelse]

I mean that port noise is more important when have small speakers with upto 5 inch. with 6.5 inch speakers port noise is not so much hearable because speaker is larger and the port is larger too.

Port noise is down to implementation (port area, sharp edges etc.) not driver size.

 

[Behrelec 37]

It's bad design if a speaker is turned into a vacuum cleaner.Where are the good engineers?