TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review

[Pearljam5000]

I would rather have them any day over these

 

[fpitas]

I would rather have them any day over these

Dunno. The measurements aren't awful on those: https://www.stereophile.com/content/tad-micro-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurements

Maybe not worth extravagant amounts of money; but welcome to high-end audio. I guess the slight downward slope is the secret sauce to minimize room problems.

 

[fpitas]

LOL
From one of the unwashed masses.

The fact that we question the price, or care about performance, would seem to make all of us members of the unwashed masses. As our trolls constantly point out

Why, the last troll accused us of being Amazon shoppers! Amazon shoppers!!!!

 

[Sokel]

What "bothers" me most comparing then with other TAD speakers is the lack of this "something" in the design.
That industrial touch or the premium feel or...
It doesn't have to be beautiful,we have Sonus Faber and the likes for that,but as TAD HAS to be distinguishable,that's the whole point.

 

[Robbo99999]

LOL
From one of the unwashed masses.

I don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not! Look, I agree this speaker is too expensive for what it is, but with EQ it'll be probably one of the best speakers we've had on here, that's all I'm saying! [thumbs up]

EDIT: I'd rather buy this speaker for half the price (which I linked in my first post in this thread with the same argument):

Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Genelc 8361A studio monitor (powered active speaker). It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,995. The 8361A looks identical to the rest of the series except massively scaled up: It doesn't look it but it is extremely heavy. It has a...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[fpitas]

I don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not!

Right? At this rate we'll have spammers leaving links to soap

 

[Suffolkhifinut]

I don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not! Look, I agree this speaker is too expensive for what it is, but with EQ it'll be probably one of the best speakers we've had on here, that's all I'm saying! [thumbs up]

EDIT: I'd rather buy this speaker for half the price (which I linked in my first post in this thread with the same argument):

Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Genelc 8361A studio monitor (powered active speaker). It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,995. The 8361A looks identical to the rest of the series except massively scaled up: It doesn't look it but it is extremely heavy. It has a...

www.audiosciencereview.com

A good review by Amirm can see your point, although he echos my point (badly made) about the validity of real room testing rather than in an anechoic chamber. Generally to much emphasis of testing equipment in a specialist location.

 

[Robbo99999]

A good review by Amirm can see your point, although he echos my point (badly made) about the validity of real room testing rather than in an anechoic chamber. Generally to much emphasis of testing equipment in a specialist location.

Hmm, the science that is adopted here is based around the research that anechoic flat speakers with good directivity have the best preference, which are some of the variables measured by Amir. Due to the natural variation between people's rooms I think in-room testing should not be prioritised, and besides he listens to the speaker to provide his subjective review alongside the measurements - which obviously by definition is an "in-room element". But to get back on track....I'm not aware that we are debating Amir's testing methodologies, we are talking about the TAD Evolution 2, which we've both already made all our points on.

 

[Spocko]

The fact that we question the price, or care about performance, would seem to make all of us members of the unwashed masses. As our trolls constantly point out

Why, the last troll accused us of being Amazon shoppers! Amazon shoppers!!!!

ROFL is this now the ultimate insult? I'm going to have to remember this little gem

 

[fpitas]

ROFL is this now the ultimate insult? I'm going to have to remember this little gem

Evidently to a troll, that is a doozy.

 

[Ron Texas]

It looks plain for $20k.

 

[Spocko]

Perlisten does not have valid waveguides for mid so horizontal dispersion is not that good.

Actually, you misunderstand Perlisten's design goal - its horizontal directivity is well controlled and excellent - these are intended to be narrow dispersion speakers for multi-channel home theater use where you want to minimize (1) wall reflections and (2) interference with nearby speakers. If for stereo application, then indeed you would want wide dispersion speakers, but for multi-channel applications then these Perlisten speakers are the way to go.

Speakers that are great for stereo use are not necessarily ideal for multi-channel use and vice versa.

 

[Suffolkhifinut]

Hmm, the science that is adopted here is based around the research that anechoic flat speakers with good directivity have the best preference, which are some of the variables measured by Amir. Due to the natural variation between people's rooms I think in-room testing should not be prioritised, and besides he listens to the speaker to provide his subjective review alongside the measurements - which obviously by definition is an "in-room element". But to get back on track....I'm not aware that we are debating Amir's testing methodologies, we are talking about the TAD Evolution 2, which we've both already made all our points on.

Anechoic chambers were originally made to test loudspeakers with such a sound intensity they couldn’t be safely tested outdoors in inhabited areas. Appreciate your point but most houses in the US are of a similar construction therefore testing in a typical room size and construction would in my opinion be more useful. In the UK most houses are of bricks and mortar construction and are likely to have different effect on how speakers sounds. Even so an anechoic chamber with no reflected sounds waves is about as far as you can get from real world use of the speaker.

 

[Robbo99999]

Anechoic chambers were originally made to test loudspeakers with such a sound intensity they couldn’t be safely tested outdoors in inhabited areas. Appreciate your point but most houses in the US are of a similar construction therefore testing in a typical room size and construction would in my opinion be more useful. In the UK most houses are of bricks and mortar construction and are likely to have different effect on how speakers sounds. Even so an anechoic chamber with no reflected sounds waves is about as far as you can get from real world use of the speaker.

We're not gonna start discussing validity of the ASR testing methodologies, we've instead been speaking about the TAD Evolution 2 speaker, which we've both voiced our opinions on.

(You've missed the point in your last sentence though, it's not applicable that point.)

 

[Suffolkhifinut]

We're not gonna start discussing validity of the ASR testing methodologies, we've instead been speaking about the TAD Evolution 2 speaker, which we've both voiced our opinions on.

(You've missed the point in your last sentence though, it's not applicable that point.)

Just replying to the points originating with you regarding: Anechoic Chambers and the great unwashed masses. Perhaps in future if you don’t want replies to comments you post, don’t make them!

 

[Robbo99999]

Just replying to the points originating with you regarding: Anechoic Chambers and the great unwashed masses. Perhaps in future if you don’t want replies to comments you post, don’t make them!

I think you're just getting your logic confused. We've been talking about the specifics of this speaker, the ASR methodology doesn't figure in that conversation......we've been judging it on the "ASR metrics" - spinorama flat anechoic, directivity, distortion. We're not here to debate the ASR methodology. I don't know why you're pursuing me, I made my final overall point in this following post I'll link, (to save the space of it being reproduced again):

TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review

I would rather have them any day over these

www.audiosciencereview.com

You're literally just changing the goal posts and mostly arguing with yourself. [shrug]

 

[Suffolkhifinut]

I think you're just getting your logic confused. We've been talking about the specifics of this speaker, the ASR methodology doesn't figure in that conversation......we've been judging it on the "ASR metrics" - spinorama flat anechoic, directivity, distortion. We're not here to debate the ASR methodology. I don't know why you're pursuing me, I made my final overall point in this following post I'll link, (to save the space of it being reproduced again):

TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review

I would rather have them any day over these

www.audiosciencereview.com

You're literally just changing the goal posts and mostly arguing with yourself. [shrug]

What have the ‘Great unwashed masses’ got to do with speaker tests, TAD or any others. Never meant to cause any offence but your sneering comment got me riled.

 

[Robbo99999]

What have the ‘Great unwashed masses’ got to do with speaker tests, TAD or any others. Never meant to cause any offence but your sneering comment got me riled.

Oh, that's why you're pursuing me! I didn't use that word first I was replying to the following post, using his own words:

TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review

Jewelry: they are not as usually (some exceptions) requires some sort of valuable material (gold, diamonds, etc). Art: Surely not as it comes from no passion or expression from an individual (or group) having a meaning. Corp Art is not art either. Product: They are and should be judged on...

www.audiosciencereview.com

And besides, "unwashed masses" was in reference to speakers, not people.....so shouldn't really cause much offence.

 

[fpitas]

Oh, that's why you're pursuing me! I didn't use that word first I was replying to the following post, using his own words:

TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review

Jewelry: they are not as usually (some exceptions) requires some sort of valuable material (gold, diamonds, etc). Art: Surely not as it comes from no passion or expression from an individual (or group) having a meaning. Corp Art is not art either. Product: They are and should be judged on...

www.audiosciencereview.com

And besides, "unwashed masses" was in reference to speakers, not people.....so shouldn't really cause much offence.

I *think* I was the first to use it. In my defense, I include myself in the unwashed masses who care about price and demand competent performance.

 

[Arc Acoustics]

Actually, you misunderstand Perlisten's design goal - its horizontal directivity is well controlled and excellent - these are intended to be narrow dispersion speakers for multi-channel home theater use where you want to minimize (1) wall reflections and (2) interference with nearby speakers. If for stereo application, then indeed you would want wide dispersion speakers, but for multi-channel applications then these Perlisten speakers are the way to go.

Speakers that are great for stereo use are not necessarily ideal for multi-channel use and vice versa.

Well, I do not blame its narrowness, I just cannot say that kind of stepped horizontal directivity (caused by the lack of waveguides) is "excellent".
But of course, that depends on individual criteria.