Pearljam5000
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I would rather have them any day over these
Dunno. The measurements aren't awful on those: https://www.stereophile.com/content/tad-micro-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurementsI would rather have them any day over these
The fact that we question the price, or care about performance, would seem to make all of us members of the unwashed masses. As our trolls constantly point outLOL
From one of the unwashed masses.
I don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not! Look, I agree this speaker is too expensive for what it is, but with EQ it'll be probably one of the best speakers we've had on here, that's all I'm saying! [thumbs up]LOL
From one of the unwashed masses.
Right? At this rate we'll have spammers leaving links to soapI don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not!
A good review by Amirm can see your point, although he echos my point (badly made) about the validity of real room testing rather than in an anechoic chamber. Generally to much emphasis of testing equipment in a specialist location.I don't know if we're talking about speakers anymore or not, probably not! Look, I agree this speaker is too expensive for what it is, but with EQ it'll be probably one of the best speakers we've had on here, that's all I'm saying! [thumbs up]
EDIT: I'd rather buy this speaker for half the price (which I linked in my first post in this thread with the same argument):
Genelec 8361A Review (Powered Monitor)
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Genelc 8361A studio monitor (powered active speaker). It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,995. The 8361A looks identical to the rest of the series except massively scaled up: It doesn't look it but it is extremely heavy. It has a...www.audiosciencereview.com
Hmm, the science that is adopted here is based around the research that anechoic flat speakers with good directivity have the best preference, which are some of the variables measured by Amir. Due to the natural variation between people's rooms I think in-room testing should not be prioritised, and besides he listens to the speaker to provide his subjective review alongside the measurements - which obviously by definition is an "in-room element". But to get back on track....I'm not aware that we are debating Amir's testing methodologies, we are talking about the TAD Evolution 2, which we've both already made all our points on.A good review by Amirm can see your point, although he echos my point (badly made) about the validity of real room testing rather than in an anechoic chamber. Generally to much emphasis of testing equipment in a specialist location.
ROFL is this now the ultimate insult? I'm going to have to remember this little gemThe fact that we question the price, or care about performance, would seem to make all of us members of the unwashed masses. As our trolls constantly point out
Why, the last troll accused us of being Amazon shoppers! Amazon shoppers!!!!
Evidently to a troll, that is a doozy.ROFL is this now the ultimate insult? I'm going to have to remember this little gem
Actually, you misunderstand Perlisten's design goal - its horizontal directivity is well controlled and excellent - these are intended to be narrow dispersion speakers for multi-channel home theater use where you want to minimize (1) wall reflections and (2) interference with nearby speakers. If for stereo application, then indeed you would want wide dispersion speakers, but for multi-channel applications then these Perlisten speakers are the way to go.Perlisten does not have valid waveguides for mid so horizontal dispersion is not that good.
Anechoic chambers were originally made to test loudspeakers with such a sound intensity they couldn’t be safely tested outdoors in inhabited areas. Appreciate your point but most houses in the US are of a similar construction therefore testing in a typical room size and construction would in my opinion be more useful. In the UK most houses are of bricks and mortar construction and are likely to have different effect on how speakers sounds. Even so an anechoic chamber with no reflected sounds waves is about as far as you can get from real world use of the speaker.Hmm, the science that is adopted here is based around the research that anechoic flat speakers with good directivity have the best preference, which are some of the variables measured by Amir. Due to the natural variation between people's rooms I think in-room testing should not be prioritised, and besides he listens to the speaker to provide his subjective review alongside the measurements - which obviously by definition is an "in-room element". But to get back on track....I'm not aware that we are debating Amir's testing methodologies, we are talking about the TAD Evolution 2, which we've both already made all our points on.
We're not gonna start discussing validity of the ASR testing methodologies, we've instead been speaking about the TAD Evolution 2 speaker, which we've both voiced our opinions on.Anechoic chambers were originally made to test loudspeakers with such a sound intensity they couldn’t be safely tested outdoors in inhabited areas. Appreciate your point but most houses in the US are of a similar construction therefore testing in a typical room size and construction would in my opinion be more useful. In the UK most houses are of bricks and mortar construction and are likely to have different effect on how speakers sounds. Even so an anechoic chamber with no reflected sounds waves is about as far as you can get from real world use of the speaker.
Just replying to the points originating with you regarding: Anechoic Chambers and the great unwashed masses. Perhaps in future if you don’t want replies to comments you post, don’t make them!We're not gonna start discussing validity of the ASR testing methodologies, we've instead been speaking about the TAD Evolution 2 speaker, which we've both voiced our opinions on.
(You've missed the point in your last sentence though, it's not applicable that point.)
I think you're just getting your logic confused. We've been talking about the specifics of this speaker, the ASR methodology doesn't figure in that conversation......we've been judging it on the "ASR metrics" - spinorama flat anechoic, directivity, distortion. We're not here to debate the ASR methodology. I don't know why you're pursuing me, I made my final overall point in this following post I'll link, (to save the space of it being reproduced again):Just replying to the points originating with you regarding: Anechoic Chambers and the great unwashed masses. Perhaps in future if you don’t want replies to comments you post, don’t make them!
What have the ‘Great unwashed masses’ got to do with speaker tests, TAD or any others. Never meant to cause any offence but your sneering comment got me riled.I think you're just getting your logic confused. We've been talking about the specifics of this speaker, the ASR methodology doesn't figure in that conversation......we've been judging it on the "ASR metrics" - spinorama flat anechoic, directivity, distortion. We're not here to debate the ASR methodology. I don't know why you're pursuing me, I made my final overall point in this following post I'll link, (to save the space of it being reproduced again):
TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review
I would rather have them any day over thesewww.audiosciencereview.com
You're literally just changing the goal posts and mostly arguing with yourself. [shrug]
Oh, that's why you're pursuing me! I didn't use that word first I was replying to the following post, using his own words:What have the ‘Great unwashed masses’ got to do with speaker tests, TAD or any others. Never meant to cause any offence but your sneering comment got me riled.
I *think* I was the first to use it. In my defense, I include myself in the unwashed masses who care about price and demand competent performance.Oh, that's why you're pursuing me! I didn't use that word first I was replying to the following post, using his own words:
And besides, "unwashed masses" was in reference to speakers, not people.....so shouldn't really cause much offence.TAD Evolution 2 Speaker Review
Jewelry: they are not as usually (some exceptions) requires some sort of valuable material (gold, diamonds, etc). Art: Surely not as it comes from no passion or expression from an individual (or group) having a meaning. Corp Art is not art either. Product: They are and should be judged on...www.audiosciencereview.com
Actually, you misunderstand Perlisten's design goal - its horizontal directivity is well controlled and excellent - these are intended to be narrow dispersion speakers for multi-channel home theater use where you want to minimize (1) wall reflections and (2) interference with nearby speakers. If for stereo application, then indeed you would want wide dispersion speakers, but for multi-channel applications then these Perlisten speakers are the way to go.
Speakers that are great for stereo use are not necessarily ideal for multi-channel use and vice versa.