WiiM Ultra

[staticV3]

Anyone here tried Apple TV hdmi into Wiim ultra for Apple Music lossless.

The WiiM Ultra's HDMI input is an ARC input, whereas the ATV's HDMI is just regular HDMI.

Therefore, ATV->HDMI->WiiM Ultra would not work.

What would work is ATV->HDMI->TV/AVR->HDMI(ARC)->WiiM Ultra

This is the intended way to use the WiiM Ultra's HDMI input, however, the TV or AVR will most likely resample the audio to 48kHz before sending it out via ARC.

For best signal fidelity out of the ATV, I would do ATV->HDMI->HDMI Audio Extractor->Toslink->WiiM Ultra, plus ATV->HDMI->HDMI Audio Extractor->HDMI->TV for the image.

Here's a test of one such HDMI extractor:

Amazon Basics 4K HDMI Extractor Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Amazon Basics 4K HDMI extractor. Member kindly purchased and drop shipped it to me. It normally costs $22.89 but was on sale for just $5!!! The case is the standard metal one for these kinds of adapters. Power is provided with a supplied USB-A...

www.audiosciencereview.com

These tend to have rather crummy DACs built-in, but if you use the digital outputs, they're bit-perfect.
See the last graph (DAC is bypassed).

 

[Pritaudio]

The tv may insert noise when attempting to output digital to either hdmi or toslink optical.

 

[harkpabst]

The tv may insert noise when attempting to output digital to either hdmi or toslink optical.

Yes, it may.ir it may just not. Either way you cannot directly connect the Apple TV to the WiiM Ultra through HDMI, so ...

Or more precisely: You can connect them using an HDMI cable but there will be no sound.

 

[Abdo]

Are you sure is Roon putting upsampling? because i remember reading about CXNv2 and his forced upsampling mode, which by Cambridge's engineers was his "secret sauce"...

ATF upsampling | Cambridge Audio UK

Don't miss a drop of detail

www.cambridgeaudio.com

now that another colleague posted on Roon... it is impossible to turn off this processing.

 

[Hoinar]

Hi.
does the wiim ultra have bluetooth ldac or not? could it receive an update in this regard? does the sampling rate remain 192 kHz/ 24 bits, or will it increase through the update? thank you

 

[Brantome]

Hi.
does the wiim ultra have bluetooth ldac or not? could it receive an update in this regard? does the sampling rate remain 192 kHz/ 24 bits, or will it increase through the update? thank you

No. Unlikely. And not sure what you’re asking re quoting 24/192 in relation to Bluetooth.

Edit: you might want to consider something like this to use with your Ultra (or any WiiM device for that matter). I believe there are cheaper alternatives.

https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/bluetooth-headphones-with-pro-plus.4229/post-69408

 

[Hoinar]

I was referring to PCM. Will it remain 192 or will it be higher... on the digital outputs. Dsd will be at 512? Thank you

 

[Brantome]

I was referring to PCM. Will it remain 192 or will it be higher... on the digital outputs. Dsd will be at 512? Thank you

The max resolution of the Ultra is 24/192 for all its digital outputs. I’m not au fait with DSD in any great detail, but I believe a previous answer in this thread said WiiM will convert them to PCM on output, so again that’ll be up to 24/192.

 

[Alexx]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

 

[Yorkshire Mouth]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

I don’t know where you’ve heard that.

I’m on the forums here and at the WiiM forums, and I don’t think I can remember anyone saying that at all.

 

[Abdo]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

One thing I've learned after more than 45 years of listening to music... there's only one formula: get it and test it. Your ears will tell you.

I got tired of not buying things because I heard someone say it was no good, or that it was this or that. I couldn't resist and bought it, and I changed my mind. And another thing: if you received it, you didn't like it. I believe that in Italy, as in most countries, you have a certain amount of time to return it.

Then tell me if you really agree with what you've read.

 

[Abdo]

I don’t know where you’ve heard that.

I’m on the forums here and at the WiiM forums, and I don’t think I can remember anyone saying that at all.

I agree..

 

[Brantome]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

Was that reported in the Bluesound forums by any chance?

 

[mlsstl]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

I went from a Schiit multibit DAC to the Ultra and have no complaints about the Ultra. I'm very pleased with its performance and sound quality.

I'd give good odds that whatever comments you've read or heard were written or said by someone who hasn't actually heard the Ultra and their comments were based on the presence of an ESS DAC chip. Years ago ESS got a reputation for having an edgy sound, and like most apocryphal stories, once in circulation they never go away regardless of the facts. IMO, the implementation of the analog side of a DAC is far more important to sound quality that what digital decoder chip is used.

 

[Alexx]

Thank you very much guys you are always very kind.

No I did not read it on this forum, that's why I write to you when I have doubts and I do not believe.

I read it on Italian forums and I was very skeptical, especially because they say it sounds "Cold" even with an external dac???.....

I have a lot of respect for your impressions and suggestions, and the only thing to do is listen with my ears.

Tomorrow it will be delivered to me and then I will let you know.

@ Brantome no, it was a simple forum, even if they talked about many other brands -

@All the others, thank you very much!!!
I will let you know in the next few days.

 

[antcollinet]

The tv may insert noise when attempting to output digital to either hdmi or toslink optical.

What sort of noise?

 

[antcollinet]

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

They are mistaken - they are hearing what their cognitive biases are making them hear - not what is in the sound.

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output

And that is even more ludicrous. Please stop listening to these people, they don't know what they are talking about. They cannot hear the difference any more than anyone else can.

 

[Abdo]

I don't know them but they are from Italy...

 

[Xibal]

I ask for a suggestion.

Wiim Ultra has finally arrived in Italy, it will arrive at the weekend.

I have read about several people who are trying it and they say that it sounds worse than the Pro Plus.

The sound is colder / metallic on high frequencies, and it is more tiring ... which I do not like at all!

This thing leaves me with many doubts, I thought it was an improvement compared to the Pro Plus (or even the same as I really liked the sound).

They say it sounds bad even using the Digital output therefore using an external Dac, in my case the one from the Rega Elicit MK5 amplifier.

As said I will receive it in a few days, but I do not like this thing.

Can you confirm this thing or are they all personal "rumors" without any foundation?

It seems strange to me that even with an external Dac it sounds "Metallic" on high frequencies ...
Thanks in advance.

Surely you know "suggestion" also means something imposed on a coscience through use of "suggestive" words, like "cold" "warm" "tonally deep"Jokes aside, i think italians (me included) are way too prone to suggestions like these, so if you are afraid of something just wait for measurements, anything else is a kind of manipulation, but if you are into it, it's very difficult to get out, because it influences every purchase in a romantic way, which finally is nothing else than a marketing trick.

 

[Adaboy4z]

I decided to buy one and it arrived today. My previous set up was a Samsung tablet connected to SMSL SU-1 into my B2 amplifier. That is a great setup for cheap. This WiiM is the Shiznit. The setup was easy it updated quickly. To my ears the sound is more dynamic and clearer. I stream Tidal, Radio Paradise and Deep House Radio and its a keeper.