we all understand that 7" driver offer more bass than 5" but it also happen to offer better overall soundstage and presence why is that ? ( a good example is the comparison of adam f5 and f7 where f7 clearly sounds more open, spatious and clear but if you cut your lower frequencies with a eq while listening to the test, the difference goes away (
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why do 7" drivers have better soundstage and presence than 5" drivers ?
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this idea that "7" driver offer better overall soundstage and presence" came out from chat gpt when i asked it "for good mids do you recommend 4, 5 or 7 inches studio monitors ?", this matches what i experienced in this video after cutting the lows in a equalizer so there must be some truth to it
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If true (like written above a YT video is not an optimal source to judge that) one possible explanation could be that a 7" driver beams more in the mid region increasing the percentage of direct sound at the listening position which usually makes the imaging more pinpoint.
I assume that you're being tongue in cheek here, since Chat GBT is known to be commonly wrong, picking up errors in its' search and integrating them into an answer. I don't know the answer to your posted question... but I assume that Chat GBT doesn't either. Were you joking with the "so there must be some truth to it" summary?
I agree with thewas about beaming/directivity, also it is likely anything that produces extra bass or more easily produces bass, all else relatively equal, will just sound better full stop.
But, unless you're talking about 3-way monitors, then those drivers will do mids and bass, they will be mid-bass drivers. 4" and 5" drivers will always struggle more with providing bass, the extra movement of the driver for the same SPL may create more IMD in the mid frequencies - perhaps this affects soundstage?
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Well not exactly true. Usually the midrange driver in three way speakers is relatively small and had a benefit of separate closed enclosure and that does make the difference (not night and day but present). You simply cannot expect from small driver to do something it can't and how using separate specialised driver's which each covers specific FR it's designed for crossed over work's. So it's woofer's, subwoofer, tweaters (loaded, guided or not) and super tweeters.
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interesting, so can raising volume on a 5" can reach imaging ability of a 7" at lower volume ?
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making a good compromise in speaker purchase decision requires answering many questions, going the diy way that raises a million more questions
but you are onto something because diy speakers are cheaper than ready made speakers so this may be where another type of compromise could be made ( time vs cost )Not really, you misunderstand his response.
I am not sure what you were looking for by asking this question of ChatGPT but, to be honest, it is a relatively flawed question (too vague) answered by a bot, that only knows a little about a lot. You're better off asking questions here and having someone knowledgeable reply.
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I already have little trust in other people when it comes to answering questions about loudspeaker sound. But ChatGBT would be the last one I would ask. LOL
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no i was not ironic, chatgpt has no problem inventing bullshit but it mostly repackages existing information so it seems there must really be something behind it, once again if this yt video replayed without bass did not behave like it does (erasing soundstage difference) i woul not have trusted chatgpt alone ... and i still dont trust chatgpt this is why i am asking the question here to my fellow audio geeks humans
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no i was not ironic, chatgpt has no problem inventing bullshit but it mostly repackages existing information so it seems there must really be something behind it, once again if this yt video replayed without bass did not behave like it does (erasing soundstage difference) i woul not have trusted chatgpt alone ... and i still dont trust chatgpt this is why i am asking the question here to my fellow audio geeks humans
1) A.I. might repackage information, but that in no way means that the information is true.
2) Your conclusion that "there must be something behind it" is therefore base on a false premise. https://effectiviology.com/false-premise/
3) YT videos are totally wide open. They can be very informative, they can be high quality, and they can be painfully honest. They can also be highly manipulated and/or totally incompetent crap. Unfortunately, the vast majority seem to be of the second ilk. Without knowing the precise basis for the production for this video, I wouldn't use this video to show anything ..... not anything at all.
Essentially, you're trying to tap dance on quicksand.
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Ok. The assumption "so there must be some truth to it" would lead you down far more false paths than no assumption at all. Asking your fellow audio geek humans the question, without a contaminating presumption that there is "really something behind it" is a sound idea. Considering that the data pool for audio is more subjective than scientific... in this case... it's garbage in... garbage out. As @Digby stated, the question is flawed, the response has those flaws baked in, imo. I'm not saying that your fundamental question is without merit, actually I find it interesting. However, the question as asked, coupled with the shroud of Chat GBT which you wisely don't trust, minimizes the chance that an actual accurate answer results. Ask ChatGBT if cable lifters benefit audio reproduction, should that answer lead to confidence that "there must be some truth to it"? I'm guessing that some of our fellow geeks will cut to the chase without the burden of previous perceived "truths" whether from YT, ChatGBT or some other meretricious source. I'm interested in what they say.no i was not ironic, chatgpt has no problem inventing bullshit but it mostly repackages existing information so it seems there must really be something behind it, once again if this yt video replayed without bass did not behave like it does (erasing soundstage difference) i woul not have trusted chatgpt alone ... and i still dont trust chatgpt this is why i am asking the question here to my fellow audio geeks humans
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what made me ask the question is not the yt video in itself (not important if not representative of real world sound) but the difference between yt video (that showed a huge sounstage difference between 5" and 7") and the same yt video played wiith high pass eq that only removed bass and that erased the soundstage difference between 5 and 7"
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I understand what you're saying.
However, what you're doing is deriving a difference based on information from a video of undetermined processing characteristics.
Don't trust the wind.
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I use 7" drivers.
We have never known ChatGPT to be wrong. That's because it draws its information directly from the internet.AI created... fun... but factual?... like Hal said... "I can't do that Dave..."
