So I guess why is having more filters and adjustability not replicable? Like none of that feels like anything that would be out of reach for APO or other PC software except for the licensed codecs.
Yeah, kind of surprised about this, but Trinnov has so much manual control I'm sure you could use MSO and just punch the filters and delay in.Interestingly enough, the Trinnov does not have anything equivalent to Dirac Live Bass Control. It will measure each sub in your room and apply delays and filters as necessary, but it won't integrate them as a single source and phase align them with the mains like Dirac can do.
believe Trinnov's 3D mic, in addition to showing precise spatial locations of all speakers, can also separately measure speaker direct and first reflection sound and show them to you separately. That's quite useful because while you can sorta do this with REW and windowing, it takes some trial and error and guesswork.
Maybe not out of reach for PC programs, but you asked in your opening post how it compared to Audyssey and Dirac Live, which are commercial solutions. Even with a PC or DSP solution like miniDSP you still need the proper algorithms and such to get a good result. If you want to do it yourself, I suggest picking up Mitch Barnett's book Accurate Sound Reproduction Using DSP and Acourate SW.So I guess why is having more filters and adjustability not replicable? Like none of that feels like anything that would be out of reach for APO or other PC software except for the licensed codecs.
Well said. A tipping point for me was when I discovered other brands of AVR/AVPs down sample hi-res music to 48hz when using their versions of room correction software. They simply do not have enough processing power to do both hi-res and room correction simultaneously. Whereas Trinnov does not down sample. The Altitude 16 keeps 96hz and the Altitude 32 keeps 192hz.Maybe not out of reach for PC programs, but you asked in your opening post how it compared to Audyssey and Dirac Live, which are commercial solutions. Even with a PC or DSP solution like miniDSP you still need the proper algorithms and such to get a good result. If you want to do it yourself, I suggest picking up Mitch Barnett's book Accurate Sound Reproduction Using DSP and Acourate SW.
Somehow I completely forgot the 3D resolution you get from Trinnov's special four-element microphone that provides spatial location and not just distance, another big plus as cited by all the other posters above.
The beauty of claims Trinnov exists and the Dirac version that blows Trinnov away does not. I hope it comes to fruition - but we’ll see.I know that Dirac are working on a revolutionary improved spatial-based algorithms:
The Arrival of Spatial Room Correction Technology - Dirac
This article describes an approach to the challenge of applying DSP room correction to complex multichannel setups, intended for immersive audio reproduction. Instead of one...www.dirac.com
Insiders claim that the new version will be even better that Trinnov and Lyngdorf solutions. The idea is to use all existing speakers to correct response of each speaker by extracting different frequency components from one speaker and generating them with proper levels and phase corrections from other speakers for compensation.
For example, if one speaker has a null at 90Hz due to room modes, the processor inside the AVR will output the 90Hz portion from all or some of the other channels at different timings to compensate for the null. This would bring RC to a next level optimized for object-oriented technologies.
They originally planed to announce the new tech in CES2022 but then decided to wait another year with the official announcement.
I'm really excited for this. been following it for a while.I know that Dirac are working on a revolutionary improved spatial-based algorithms:
The Arrival of Spatial Room Correction Technology - Dirac
This article describes an approach to the challenge of applying DSP room correction to complex multichannel setups, intended for immersive audio reproduction. Instead of one...www.dirac.com
Insiders claim that the new version will be even better that Trinnov and Lyngdorf solutions. The idea is to use all existing speakers to correct response of each speaker by extracting different frequency components from one speaker and generating them with proper levels and phase corrections from other speakers for compensation.
For example, if one speaker has a null at 90Hz due to room modes, the processor inside the AVR will output the 90Hz portion from all or some of the other channels at different timings to compensate for the null. This would bring RC to a next level optimized for object-oriented technologies.
They originally planed to announce the new tech in CES2022 but then decided to wait another year with the official announcement.
Yes, maintaining full sample rate is another plus, though I am not sure the audible benefits of say 96 kS/s vs. 48 kS/s.Well said. A tipping point for me was when I discovered other brands of AVR/AVPs down sample hi-res music to 48hz when using their versions of room correction software. They simply do not have enough processing power to do both hi-res and room correction simultaneously. Whereas Trinnov does not down sample. The Altitude 16 keeps 96hz and the Altitude 32 keeps 192hz.
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You cannot access modern surround decoders privately. Otherwise, Trinnov is a computer.I probably should have made it Trinnov vs manually doing it with a computer.
First, technically Trinnov is a computer, the basic HW is a PC with pro audio and video cards in the box and running their proprietary OS.I probably should have made it Trinnov vs manually doing it with a computer.
I suspect Dirac will go that way for some sort of Dirac Pro since Onkyo will have pedestrian Dirac. Which will be a shame if it is $15K+ just to get in the game.
Anyway it really sounds like it is (1) how far down the chain of manual trial and error each algorithm will go (e. g. How many steps that someone would do manually or how many cuts they will make) and (2) how they approach correction of those errors. Or maybe the depth of solution but not the breadth?
And will it only be available on AV Receivers or will it be available on work stations and PC's.The beauty of claims Trinnov exists and the Dirac version that blows Trinnov away does not. I hope it comes to fruition - but we’ll see.
Dirac Live historically releases for PCs and supports Mac and Windows. But, last time I looked (probably a year or more ago), DLBC and Unison was not available, and the stand-alone version only handled 8 channels so you needed some sort of DAW host. Trinnov handles up to 64 channels last I checked. I don't imagine I will ever need that many, but I do have 15 in use now in a fairly small media room (seven base, four subs, four overheads). Hopefully they'll expand the channel count and roll in the fancier bass control scheme if they haven't already. The multichannel SW package was about $500 last time I looked, with a cheaper stereo version. When I moved away from my Dirac Live processor, I stopped following them closely, so my info is likely well out of date.And will it only be available on AV Receivers or will it be available on work stations and PC's.
What will be your multi-channel source?The multichannel SW package was about $500 last time I looked, with a cheaper stereo version.