Ultra high end speaker manufacturers that rely heavily on measurements?

[richard12511]

What ultra high end manufacturers out there rely heavily on measurements and produce products that measure really well?

Vivid, YG Acoustics, Grimm, B&O, Focal and Magico are some that come to mind for me. Maybe Rockport?

 

[Berlin]

What ultra high end manufacturers out there rely heavily on measurements and produce products that measure really well?

Vivid, YG Acoustics, Grimm, B&O, Focal and Magico are some that come to mind for me. Maybe Rockport?

Geithain...

 

[Tks]

Not sure what ultra high end is (unless you're talking those seven figure speakers), but to me Revel/Genelec are at the limit of what I would even care about price wise yet still do measurement heavy designs.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

What is ultra high end? Ultra expensive?

Otherwise
KEF, JBL, Revel, Neumann, Genelec come to mind.

 

[richard12511]

I suppose I should have clarified what I meant by uber high end, but I don't think I had really nailed that down in my own mind before writing the post. I think there are a ton of good science based speaker manufacturers making gear in the 10-25k range. Poor price/performance? Sure, but I would still bet that the correlation between increasing price and increasing listener preference is mostly positive in that range.

I guess I was thinking more like 50k+. In my mind, that's where it starts to become a pretty big gamble, where there's a pretty good chance you end up with a straight up bad speaker. I wouldn't be surprised if there were little to no correlation between price and preference in that range, or even a negative one(relative to say a good $30,000) speaker.

I guess I could add KEF(Muon) and JBL(Everest), but even then, are those speakers even better than say the Blade1 Meta or M2(outside of bass and spl)?

But, no harm in mentioning speakers that you personally consider uber high end.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

I suppose I should have clarified what I meant by uber high end, but I don't think I had really nailed that down in my own mind before writing the post. I think there are a ton of good science based speaker manufacturers making gear in the 10-25k range. Poor price/performance? Sure, but I would still bet that the correlation between increasing price and increasing listener preference is mostly positive in that range.

I guess I was thinking more like 50k+. In my mind, that's where it starts to become a pretty big gamble, where there's a pretty good chance you end up with a straight up bad speaker. I wouldn't be surprised if there were little to no correlation between price and preference in that range, or even a negative one(relative to say a good $30,000) speaker.

I guess I could add KEF(Muon) and JBL(Everest), but even then, are those speakers even better than say the Blade1 Meta or M2(outside of bass and spl)?

But, no harm in mentioning speakers that you personally consider uber high end.

Well highly expensive can be (and unfortunately often is) a marketing trick which preys on the notion (unconscious bias) that more expensive must be better (often without any replicable objective proof).

So unless one finds some hard facts on the speakers you mentioned it will be difficult to answer your question and the thread will turn into a stream of subjective opinions as so many others.

 

[Pearljam5000]

How much does Wilson Audio rely on measurements?

 

[3125b]

B&O? They might measure their designs, but they seem to keep losing the results and then just proceed without …

 

[Purité Audio]

How much does Wilson Audio rely on measurements?

Measurements, Wilson Audio?
Keith

 

[storing]

B&O? They might measure their designs, but they seem to keep losing the results and then just proceed without …

Well put, might be ultra high price and shine factor, but doesn't quite translate to good measurements.

 

[Sokel]

Well put, might be ultra high price and shine factor, but doesn't quite translate to good measurements.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but Beolab 90's measurements is not bad if I remember right.

 

[storing]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but Beolab 90's measurements is not bad if I remember right.

After DSP you mean? But anyway: yeah you're right, I should not have generalized.

 

[Sokel]

After DSP you mean? But anyway: yeah you're right, I should not have generalized.

I wasn't sure myself,it's been a while since I was reading about them and as I can recall they are super flexible because of the DSP and tons of power.

 

[Yasuo]

No really, ultra high end usually means ultra high marketing...

 

[gnarly]

What ultra high end manufacturers out there rely heavily on measurements and produce products that measure really well?

If prosound manufacturers may be included, Meyersound would be a good example in the US. Totally science/measurement based, and priced/designed for the premium market.
Fulcrum Acoustics, EAW, and DSL are other well known US examples. Plenty outside US, too.

I honestly don't look to the home audio market anymore, for learning audio science and measurements. Home audio seems utterly primitive compared to proaudio.
By proaudio, I mean install, theater, and live touring.
Studio appears to be a cross between pro and home...sometimes i find good science there too, but most often with an increased marketing slant.

 

[AwesomeSauce2015]

If prosound manufacturers may be included, Meyersound would be a good example in the US. Totally science/measurement based, and priced/designed for the premium market.
Fulcrum Acoustics, EAW, and DSL are other well known US examples. Plenty outside US, too.

I have to agree. If you want an "ultra-high-end" speaker with actual performance to back up the price, you are basically looking at the big prosound companies.
Meyer's big studio system looks pretty impressive, and Danley's synergy horns have been used in (large) home theater builds. Danley also has their hyperion, which I am sure classifies as ultra-high end considering I can't find the price anywhere... not that I could afford it lol.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

After DSP you mean? But anyway: yeah you're right, I should not have generalized.

You can't use the Beolab90 without DSP. It is an inherent element of the design.

 

[rillettes]

Geithain...

Are there any published measurements for these ?

 

[storing]

You can't use the Beolab90 without DSP. It is an inherent element of the design.

Sure but perhaps there's a way to have the DSP not apply any corrections?

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Sure but perhaps there's a way to have the DSP not apply any corrections?

That makes no sense. The integration of the drivers and the crossover are all implemented in DSP. What do you want to leave out? Room correction? If so, just don't do it but there will still be internal "corrections" of the drivers.