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I appreciate the honesty! Thank youI don't have any experience with standalone DAC's, hence nothing I could personally recommend.
I appreciate the honesty! Thank youI don't have any experience with standalone DAC's, hence nothing I could personally recommend.
I don't really care about extra features. I just want the least noise floor out of the bunch. I'm pretty agitated by noise even if it's barely audile.If you choose from Topping's products, you can use any DAC with RCA output such as D10S E30 E50 D50s.
E30 is pretty ideal bang for the buck, but it's end of life, would recommend getting one before they are gone, if you're considering one. Atom DAC+ is also a good choice because it has its own transformer isolated power supply. D10/D10s is actually prone to USB noise. D10B is fairly noise immune due to common mode noise cancellation in balanced out. D50s is a bit pricy unless you want to match it with A50s for a pretty stack. E50 is pretty expensive to use just as RCA out DAC..I don't really care about extra features. I just want the least noise floor out of the bunch. I'm pretty agitated by noise even if it's barely audile.
I have been checking everything for the past couple of hours and I have to agree with what you said. E30 sounds the most safe and there are some benefits to ordering from shenzhenaudio.E30 is pretty ideal bang for the buck, but it's end of life, would recommend getting one before they are gone, if you're considering one. Atom DAC+ is also a good choice because it has its own transformer isolated power supply. D10/D10s is actually prone to USB noise. D10B is fairly noise immune due to common mode noise cancellation in balanced out. D50s is a bit pricy unless you want to match it with A50s for a pretty stack. E50 is pretty expensive to use just as RCA out DAC..
I've used it like that on an L30, it causes loud DC pops when the device gets no audio for ~1 second (and when you play audio again), because it seems to mute itself (not driver-settings related, I modified the drivers to include a longer time out, which didn't change this behavior).You can connect the D10B to the Heresy with special cables. 6.35mm Tip connected to RCA Signal, and Sleeve connected to RCA GND. Ring not connected to anything.
Doing so will halve the DAC's output voltage.
I wouldn't use it that way.
I would love a firmware revision where the disconect relay doesnt disengage after 10 seconds of no signal in, would like at least 10 minutes or so.I've used it like that on an L30, it causes loud DC pops when the device gets no audio for ~1 second (and when you play audio again), because it seems to mute itself (not driver-settings related, I modified the drivers to include a longer time out, which didn't change this behavior).
Definitely don't convert the D10b to SE.
If you can "avoid" ground loop and your pc has a clen USB output, basicallyD10s and E30 has the same noise level... E50 has a even lower noise level (that's why I bought it). But the noise level I'm talking about is almost imperceptible for a average person. To hear it you need a IEM (or a enough sensitive headphone), a amplifier probably in high gain at max volume and no music playing. A kind of situation that is not usable for a sensitive headphone...I don't really care about extra features. I just want the least noise floor out of the bunch. I'm pretty agitated by noise even if it's barely audile.
I get you. I personally wouldn't spend on a E50 when E30 does the job and much more. I also think the E30 looks better and the remote does sound nice. I'm not sure but judging by the dimensions it a little smaller than the d10s which is a plus for me. I'm slowly leaning towards the E30 and might even get the L30 at some point to complete the stack and sell/give away the heresy.If you can "avoid" ground loop and your pc has a clen USB output, basicallyD10s and E30 has the same noise level... E50 has a even lower noise level (that's why I bought it). But the noise level I'm talking about is almost imperceptible for a average person. To hear it you need a IEM (or a enough sensitive headphone), a amplifier probably in high gain at max volume and no music playing. A kind of situation that is not usable for a sensitive headphone...
That has been said countless times before in the last 40 pages. Can't believe that after 40 pages people still insist on (trying to) convert the D10b to SE when even John from Topping said in very clear language that it is not a good idea... multiple times.Definitely don't convert the D10b to SE.
It's because there was never a clear reason provided; at least I haven't seen one, so I put my L30 on the D10b.That has been said countless times before in the last 40 pages. Can't believe that after 40 pages people still insist on (trying to) convert the D10b to SE when even John from Topping said in very clear language that it is not a good idea... multiple times.
I guess that's why they still advise not to do it though. Seems kinda risky especially paired with some DC coupled ampBoth issues were a non concern to me, so I went and did it. If it wasn't for the DC pops on driver time-out, the D10b would be perfectly fine to connect to a SE device, when using the right adapter.
I have had those 3 at the same time, E30 left a few days ago and I'm keeping D10s because its digital digital converter function - it's being used more than I was expecting. L30 and E30 or D10s are nice combos no doubt. Although the remote control being a nice touch, depending how you're going to use it that's won't be so important. The E30's RC kept most of the time in the box - the E50's RC as well so far hahaI get you. I personally wouldn't spend on a E50 when E30 does the job and much more. I also think the E30 looks better and the remote does sound nice. I'm not sure but judging by the dimensions it a little smaller than the d10s which is a plus for me. I'm slowly leaning towards the E30 and might even get the L30 at some point to complete the stack and sell/give away the heresy.
Good reminder. D10 Balanced has a quite high DC offset for ground to signal reference.I guess that's why they still advise not to do it though. Seems kinda risky especially paired with some DC coupled amp
Yep-that "pop" could become a loud "boom" if something goes horribly wrong. Bye bye tweeters.I guess that's why they still advise not to do it though. Seems kinda risky especially paired with some DC coupled amp
That has been said countless times before in the last 40 pages. Can't believe that after 40 pages people still insist on (trying to) convert the D10b to SE when even John from Topping said in very clear language that it is not a good idea... multiple ti
I'm still really torn between the D10s and the E30. D10s is cheaper and doesn't need a power supply (Only USB) but I've been hearing that a USB only DAC is more susceptible to noise (which I'm very sensitive about). I'm still researching about it but it's getting tiring xD (still fun tho)I have had those 3 at the same time, E30 left a few days ago and I'm keeping D10s because its digital digital converter function - it's being used more than I was expecting. L30 and E30 or D10s are nice combos no doubt. Although the remote control being a nice touch, depending how you're going to use it that's won't be so important. The E30's RC kept most of the time in the box - the E50's RC as well so far haha
It would be very helpful to hear from someone experienced or who has tried both.I'm still really torn between the D10s and the E30. D10s is cheaper and doesn't need a power supply (Only USB) but I've been hearing that a USB only DAC is more susceptible to noise (which I'm very sensitive about). I'm still researching about it but it's getting tiring xD (still fun tho)
Is that because it's not powered with a power supply? Or is it just all USB DACs and that I'm better off using an optical?D10/D10s is actually prone to USB noise.
Because it's a cheap USB DAC it doesn't go very far in filtering and a ground loop over its USB is not impossible. The E30 is simply better in this regard.Is that because it's not powered with a power supply? Or is it just all USB DACs and that I'm better off using an optical?
If D10S has the same noise as E30 when using USB then I'm fine with that.