Amirite???WTF???
Amirite???WTF???
The measurements don't lie regardless of one's subjective feelings about a speaker. Maybe, and hear me out, Eric doesn't design speakers as well as he thinks he does and even if the reviewer didn't find it bad, Eric expects reviewers to only give extremely glowing reviews or otherwise everyone else is incompetent.Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear is good, and what is crap?”
... and he attempts to pull rank.Eric expects reviewers to only give extremely glowing reviews or otherwise everyone else is incompetent.
What dafuq is that ^Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear sounds good, and what gear will sound like crap?”
NO!Amirite???
Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear sounds good, and what gear will sound like crap?”
Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear sounds good, and what gear will sound like crap?”
That is not at all the disconnect let alone the "main one." Eric made that statement when he came here and that was that. Problem didn't occur until out of the blue he accused me of measuring things incorrectly. That has been the issue at hand. He claims measurements are wrong, threatens me legally but never produces his own measurements. And for nearly a month, he didn't even tell me why he thinks my measurements are wrong.Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear sounds good, and what gear will sound like crap?”
I don't even think that's a terrible way to go about it, if you and your customers are happy with potentially-technically-imperfect speakers. Which lots of people seem to be. It's a common and valid point of view to say one prefers ears-based design than a technically perfect speaker. Full disclosure - I've done a bit of voicing by ear in my day. The results were fine. I will always use the measurement gear at my disposal, but I won't tell someone with 250 ear-tuned speaker designs under their belt that their ears are worthless, either.I honestly believe he does not have any measurements for any of his speakers, ever. I think he does have some kind of simulation software that will forecast how the speakers will measure, then he just builds it and then do some crossover tuning by ear.
He even stated it on this Stereophile interview.
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EDIT: Link: https://www.stereophile.com/content...50-models-and-counting-interview-tektons-eric
Then why were they described by the manufacturer as "extra-linear"? And why the harassment? If he never intended them to have a flat response, he could just say so instead of attacking everything in sight because it revealed that they are not, in fact, "extra-linear."Here is where I believe the main disconnect is - Amir and Erin like accurate flat response speakers. The m lores are not designed to be, there used to be or is a model called the lore reference that was supposedly accurate, but less preferred by some to the response of the m lore. Amir doesn’t like a lot of things like the original Kef ls-50s, but likes the metas. Most I know who own or listen to both can eq the ls50s to sound the same, or prefer the ogs. Sean olive and Harmon have their favorite non linear tweaks, why can’t Tekton have theirs? Amir, why not just show the data, and let the readers decide? Why the I recommend, or I don’t recommend comments, when surely you are aware others have different hearing preferences than you? When did buying an AP and Klippel become the “I am now the god of what gear sounds good, and what gear will sound like crap?”
This is really it in a nutshell.They simply refuse to own that their products might not measure well because they weren't designed to measure well.
It's the deception that's the problem.
If you read all of the 2 threads you would know the threads remain open for the possibility that Eric may comment here. The line of communication remains open.In my opinion, this thread has gone all the distance it can go. If it were my choice I would close it and leave it as one of several records of what had transpired.
Problem is Tek-not boy refuses to just leave well enough alone and hope the noise - created by him - dies down. Which of course ti won't if he keeps playing the fool.In my opinion, this thread has gone all the distance it can go. If it were my choice I would close it and leave it as one of several records of what had transpired.
And that is a good thing?If you read all of the 2 threads you would know the threads remain open for the possibility that Eric may comment here. The line of communication remains open.
So close it as an act of mercy.Problem is Tek-not boy refuses to just leave well enough alone and hope the noise - created by him - dies down. Which of course ti won't if he keeps playing the fool.
It's the high road-ish approach, and it cuts off any notion that ASR wouldn't be open to dialogue in principle.And that is a good thing?
For some it is a major irritation. For ASR the powers that be determined the line of communication will remain open.And that is a good thing?
I doubt that. It is open in personal email threads that gets published here and there. Clearly Tekton will no comment on any of these threads. The ASR community has one-sidedly communicated and perpetuated their combined hostility to Tekton, whether it helps or doesn't help the case. Why would they come here?If you read all of the 2 threads you would know the threads remain open for the possibility that Eric may comment here. The line of communication remains open.
I can agree with you that it may not be the main one, but in my opinion it is a disconnect. Eric’s communications and litigation threats were wrong, and he owes you an apology, and also clarification on why he thinks you may have measured wrongly.That is not at all the disconnect let alone the "main one." Eric made that statement when he came here and that was that. Problem didn't occur until out of the blue he accused me of measuring things incorrectly. That has been the issue at hand. He claims measurements are wrong, threatens me legally but never produces his own measurements. And for nearly a month, he didn't even tell me why he thinks my measurements are wrong.
The Klippel and AP's role is to product reliable, repeatable measurements. I provide an interpretation based on years of research and knowledge of what is good and what is bad. Members can take the same data and decide otherwise. And comment otherwise. Some value my recommendations, some don't. That is OK too.