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SVS SB 1000 Pro vs SVS SB 2000 non-Pro

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So, like always, I'm getting buyers remorse! I had an option to get the non-Pro SB 2000 instead of the SB 1000 Pro but did I make the right decision?

This is for music and movies in a medium sized room (large room for a typical British house).


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my understanding is the only thing you’re missing out on is the app functionality from your phone. The quality of sound is going to be the same with the 2000 actually digging a little deeper. I have the Pro and rarely use the app. Set it and forget it.
 
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These are the rows from https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/subwoofer-comparison.20494/

It's maybe easier to see in the Google sheets, as this copied several hidden columns that make it a bit difficult to read. The SB-2000 has a lot more power in the lows (say 4-6 dB). If you don't mind losing the bluetooth configuration, I'd say the SB-2000 will do better. I got the SB-2000 Pro for my HT setup, as I wanted a smaller size than the ported.

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SVSSB-1000 PROLinkLink600USDSVS has 4 times a year sales on President's day (Feb), Memorial day (May), Labor Day (Sep), and Cyber Monday (Nov). I believe the steepest discounts occur on Cyber Monday. Link to outlet sales.1.001.370.940.82600825493567112sealedAudioholics8894.7101.2106.1111.5113.7112.2110.3108.53339197.7104.2109.1114.5116.7115.2113.3111.59197.7104.2109.1114.5116.7115.2113.3111.5MediumMediumblack, white525,31,40hz with 7 to 9db/octave, must be manually enabled using mobile app's DSP "room gain compensation".No26.011.813.51314.761.51923433370.041238United States66697103.7110.2115.1120.5122.7121.2119.3117.5Medium
SVSSB-1000 PROLinkLink600USDSVS has 4 times a year sales on President's day (Feb), Memorial day (May), Labor Day (Sep), and Cyber Monday (Nov). I believe the steepest discounts occur on Cyber Monday. Link to outlet sales.1.001.370.940.82600825493567112sealedBrent Butterworth90.994.8101.8107.0111.5116.9119.5117.23384.988.895.8101.0105.5110.9113.5111.23384.988.895.8101.0105.5110.9113.5111.2n/aSmallblack, white525,31,40hz with 7 to 9db/octave, must be manually enabled using mobile app's DSP "room gain compensation".No26.011.813.51314.761.51923433370.041238United States6690.994.8101.8107.0111.5116.9119.5117.266Small
SVSSB-2000Discontinued normally, but seems like it's brought back for limited run throughout the yearLinkLink600USDSVS has 4 times a year sales on President's day (Feb), Memorial day (May), Labor Day (Sep), and Cyber Monday (Nov). I believe the steepest discounts occur on Cyber Monday. Link to outlet sales.1.001.370.940.82600825493567112sealedBrent Butterworth101.1106.1111.8117.3117.8118.233395.1100.1105.8111.3111.8112.233395.1100.1105.8111.3111.8112.2n/aMediumblack580hz 12db/octave via "line level output"No34.815.814.614.215.41.82193736390.051411United States666101.1106.1111.8117.3117.8118.2666Medium
SVSSB-2000 PROLinkLink900USDSVS has 4 times a year sales on President's day (Feb), Memorial day (May), Labor Day (Sep), and Cyber Monday (Nov). I believe the steepest discounts occur on Cyber Monday. Link to outlet sales.1.001.370.940.8290012377408501
 
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Thanks guys for the replies. It seems like the SB 1000 Pro is not that great for movies?

The ported version of the 1000 Pro seems like it is insanely good (response down to infrasonics!) but a bit more pricey! OR, I can get two SB 1000 Pro?
Confused lol :D
 
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2 subs is always better than 1. My recommendation is to afford the best sub you can at the moment and budget for a second same unit down the line, preferably within 1 year.

I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with any SVS subwoofer.
Well, the SVS 1000 Pro is affordable with my current monthly income, but yeah, I have a no-cost EMI option for my bank card to spread my purchases.

The thing with the normal sealed designs is that they tend to extend low but the SB series has a peculiar response where there is a hard cut (DSP?). Here the PB series is much much better. I wonder if adding two SBs would be worthwhile. What do you think?
 

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Have you set it up and measured it?

I literally set one up this morning, after living with it for two weeks and playing with it. 33'x13'x9.5' tall room, but open through doorways to the rest of the house. So, not small.

Measures from 10Hz to 90Hz, crossed over at 80. REW using RTA and pink noise for measures, first time using REW.

AVR-no dsp used, but AVR room correction enabled:

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AVR-with DSP and room correction:

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Seems to be doing fine for me with good extension below 20 (nasty room node at 30 though). I did find using the app to make dialing things in with pink noise to be pretty easy, btw. Make a change, look, repeat as necessary.

I second getting a second down the line, if you find one lacking. I don't.
 

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Thanks guys for the replies. It seems like the SB 1000 Pro is not that great for movies?

The ported version of the 1000 Pro seems like it is insanely good (response down to infrasonics!) but a bit more pricey! OR, I can get two SB 1000 Pro?
Confused lol :D
It’s quite good for movies too. the ported box versions will measure slightly better but have a slightly bigger footprint and don’t look as good??? Not that really any black box looks great. I’ve found that sound “quality” is very much overstated with a sub regarding movies, and quit honestly, most music. I really have no experience with what the sound of machine gun fire or an atomic bomb sounds like in real life, nor do i want to. Bottom line is buy a good sub from any of the usual suspects and you will fill out the bottom end on music and movies.
 
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Have you set it up and measured it?

I literally set one up this morning, after living with it for two weeks and playing with it. 33'x13'x9.5' tall room, but open through doorways to the rest of the house. So, not small.

Measures from 10Hz to 90Hz, crossed over at 80. REW using RTA and pink noise for measures, first time using REW.

AVR-no dsp used, but AVR room correction enabled:

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AVR-with DSP and room correction:

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Seems to be doing fine for me with good extension below 20 (nasty room node at 30 though). I did find using the app to make dialing things in with pink noise to be pretty easy, btw. Make a change, look, repeat as necessary.

I second getting a second down the line, if you find one lacking. I don't.
I was referring to the testing by audioholics where they showed the ported version having playing deeper and with more SPL.

Anyways, I'm gonna try cancelling the order and get a PB 1000 Pro or the SB 2000 Pro. If it won't work, I'll be happy to keep the SB 1000 Pro and buy an another one next year.
 

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I’ve found that sound “quality” is very much overstated with a sub regarding movies, and quit honestly, most music. I really have no experience with what the sound of machine gun fire or an atomic bomb sounds like in real life, nor do i want to.
Other than organ music, which I do have experience with live, I largely agree. The musical benefit to me comes from being able to cross over and get better low end from my mains.

The rumbly is fun for movies though, whether realistic or not.
 
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It’s quite good for movies too. the ported box versions will measure slightly better but have a slightly bigger footprint and don’t look as good??? Not that really any black box looks great. I’ve found that sound “quality” is very much overstated with a sub regarding movies, and quit honestly, most music. I really have no experience with what the sound of machine gun fire or an atomic bomb sounds like in real life, nor do i want to. Bottom line is buy a good sub from any of the usual suspects and you will fill out the bottom end on music and movies.
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm just trying to recreate a hifi dealer's system I listened to when I was in India. They were using Monitor Audio floor standing speakers (silver series I think) along with their sub. The bass was not loud but could really feel hitting the chest. It was an incredible feeling.
 

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So, like always, I'm getting buyers remorse! I had an option to get the non-Pro SB 2000 instead of the SB 1000 Pro but did I make the right decision?

This is for music and movies in a medium sized room (large room for a typical British house).


Any comments would be appreciated

A sub with a generic stamped frame driver vs a sub with a Peerless XXLS12 variant? IMO original SB2000 (or the previous model) any day of the week.
 
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A sub with a generic stamped frame driver vs a sub with a Peerless XXLS12 variant? IMO original SB2000 (or the previous model) any day of the week.
Wow! Interesting!

Didn't know Peerless drivers are better than SVS! I mean SVS said like they tried 18 different designs before settling on the one that's in the pros or something like that.
 

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Wow! Interesting!

Didn't know Peerless drivers are better than SVS! I mean SVS said like they tried 18 different designs before settling on the one that's in the pros or something like that.

IIRC, Tymphany/Peerless make most of SVS's drivers.

The SB12/SB2000 driver (may be different or the same, I don't know) may be slightly different from the stock XXLS12, I don't know. It doesn't really matter because it's clear the performance is still there. It's still one of the better drivers available. Basically we're talking about a flagship driver platform that's old but good enough that, when fresh, Genelec designed their flagship sub around a version of it, vs. a stamped frame driver designed for a value subwoofer. Don't read too much into the marketing fluff. It's awfully hard to beat an XLS12/XXLS12-based closed box sub, unless you just need more output. Then you need more subs, or bigger subs.
 
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IIRC, Tymphany/Peerless make most of SVS's drivers.

The SB12/SB2000 driver (may be different or the same, I don't know) may be slightly different from the stock XXLS12, I don't know. It doesn't really matter because it's clear the performance is still there. It's still one of the better drivers available. Basically we're talking about a flagship driver platform that's old but good enough that, when fresh, Genelec designed their flagship sub around a version of it, vs. a stamped frame driver designed for a value subwoofer. Don't read too much into the marketing fluff. It's awfully hard to beat an XLS12/XXLS12-based closed box sub, unless you just need more output. Then you need more subs, or bigger subs.
What do you say about the ported models, especially the PB 1000 Pro which digs deep, well below 17hz versus the older SB 2000 we are mentioning?
 
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2 subs is always better than 1. My recommendation is to afford the best sub you can at the moment and budget for a second same unit down the line, preferably within 1 year.

I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with any SVS subwoofer.
Depends.. In my room the SB1000 and SB2000 were disappointing. Not until I got the PB2000 I got near what I wanted. I don't have subwoofers anymore though.

My advice: Buy the ported one. Absolutely the best value.
 
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Very little. Completely uninterested in large ugly vinyl boxes.
Well, they do look very ugly as you say (a different seller offered me their display piece, an SVS PB 1000 non Pro for even cheaper price). And heavy too. But may be I'll be able to hide it behind the couch or the TV stand.

The ported ones should be having lower distortion but with higher group delay, right?
I wonder what's the performance would be like at very low volumes but I guess with the new models, I can control the gain and peq using their app. So, I can turn them up a little bit.
 
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Depends.. In my room the SB1000 and SB2000 were disappointing. Not until I got the PB2000 I got near what I wanted. I don't have subwoofers anymore though.

My advice: Buy the ported one. Absolutely the best value.
Why did you got rid of the subs?

Did your neighbours complained?
 
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