Yup- less or at pinna gain hump than Harman for me. The bass lift focused below the natural hump of the stock bass just fills it out a bit for me. A standard shelf filter @105 doesnt really work as it would still leave a hump around 70hz which isnt what I like- so need a peak.
Preamp: -7.1 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 55 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.000
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 7.5 dB Q 0.710
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 125 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 0.900
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 1200 Hz Gain -1.0 dB Q 2.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 3200 Hz Gain 2.3 dB Q 2.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 4350 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 5.000
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I hear you, I just thought it was interesting to see Oratory's EQ applied to HD560S 5128 measurement and new Harman target. Not saying it's concrete gospel...
Who's measurement is that on the B&K 5128? Do you know if it was New Version or Old Version HD560s measured on it? (When did they do the measurement & how many units measured?) Judging from the general trends in the measurement after Oratory EQ I think it might be an Old Version HD560s being measured. It might have been interesting or useful to have included the actual measurement in the graph too rather than just the EQ result. I can just about imagine that an Old Version HD560s could sound ballpark OK using your EQ.
Linked aboveDoes any Squiglink user have this target already so that I can fool around with it?
Resolve has measured it on B&K 5128. I don't think Crinacle has a 5128 yet, at least I can't find reference to it on his measurement graph database. If it was Resolve's measurement then it would the Old Version of HD560s as he measured that ages ago. So assuming that's an Old Version HD560s you've pictured there in your updated graph, then it's already not far away from that target for the B&K 5128 - it's really only the bass that's majorly different and a little extra hump at 3kHz. So given my experience with stock Old Version HD560s I'd expect an EQ to that target to sound ballpark OK still, but probably needing a bit less 3kHz, and maybe a bit less 4.5kHz, Resolve's measurement of HD560s on GRAS didn't show too much of a peak above Harman Target at 4.5kHz (not in comparison to other people's measurements), so yeah an average Old Version HD560s probably need both a bit less in the B&K Target at 3kHz and 4.5kHz given what I know.
There's gonna be some truth in that, but at least with the Harman Research that used something similar enough to the GRAS that Oratory & Amir uses and given Harman did Preference Studies to work out their preferred Target Curve, the Harman Curve, then there's good correlation between a headphone that conforms to Harman Curve and people's enjoyment of it, so they're not useless, but they're a good starting point as a base on which to do further EQ tweaking and sometimes can be an end point too if you're lucky. So, GRAS & the Harman Curve have that advantage over the B&K which doesn't have any thorough work behind the Target Curves, so that's a point in favour of GRAS & Harman vs B&K & Whatever.
Definitely a preference band associated with the bass level as Harman categorised a few patterns about what kind of listeners preferred different bass levels. But yeah, the Harman Target Curve for Headphones (say the 2018 curve we use here), is not the be all & end all, but it's an easy way to get good sound or close to it with just a bit of further tweaking (often just on the bass). It's got to be the easiest way to EQ a headphone in my experience, and the way I see it.
Just bought them - I seem to have avoided them up to this point. They seem a bargain at this price.
I think they're even a bargain at the more expensive price too! You've probably read that there is a difference between the New Version HD560s and Old Version HD560s - me & @solderdude measured some differences. If you're going to EQ them using an Oratory EQ I'd therefore recommend you use my conversion EQ that changes New Version to Old Version and then combine that with the Oratory EQ, so at the following post link is the conversion EQ and some background on the topic:
www.audiosciencereview.com
Any users here that can help & give advice to manos on mics as I don't use them?
www.head-fi.org
www.audiosciencereview.com
