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This is a quasi-anechoic spinorama measurement of the Revel M16 passive bookshelf speaker.
Although this speaker was one of the relatively early ones measured in high precision using Klippel NFS in a review by @amirm (link), I figured it is always nice to have another independent data point so I measured one of mine
A few notes on measurement methodology:
Basic measurements
Anyway, here's the full spinorama for one of the units I own:
Preference rating as calculated by VituixCAD is:
Note that the woofer nearfield measurement shows the ~450Hz resonance that also shows very clearly in Amir's measurement. In my spin this is lost due to low resolution of gated measurements at these frequencies and short window lengths.
Horizontal directivity to 90 degrees:
Note that the on-axis peak around 5kHz is attenuated as we move off-axis - which is also why the LW looks smoother than the on-axis curve.
Horizontal directivity (normalized to on-axis response):
Note that the apparent 'narrowing' of dispersion around 5kHz is actually caused by the on-axis 5kHz peak explained above - since the other angles don't have it as severe and the plot is normalized to on-axis, it looks like narrowing. Therefore the non-normalized plot may be more intuitive in this case:
Vertical directivity (normalized to on-axis response; we can see here that crossover and acoustic response is indeed optimized for the tweeter axis):
Comparisons
Here's how the spin compares to the ASR Klippel NFS spin:
The overall match is pretty nice and I believe the few differences can be easily explained:
Distortion
[EDIT 2021-10-03] Additional distortion measurements added in post #4.
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Distortion measurements in post #4 were incorrect and are now replaced by corrected ones in post #5
Haven't really done proper distortion tests on these so I'll just post this single tests done at 76 dB SPL at 1m (from spin):
Hopefully I'll do more tests at somewhat higher levels in the following days.
In-room measurements
We use these in our pretty reflective living room at about 2,3m listening distance. MLP is about 6° below tweeter axis. At this distance I expect the in-room response to track the PIR reasonably close, here's a comparison:
There is indeed a pretty good qualitative match above ~700Hz or so.
Equalization
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Additional EQ profiles in post #5.
Next I designed a flat-LW-target EQ in REW:
The preference score also rises to 6,1 (8,4 with sub). Note that if you're using any kind of room EQ I personally wouldn't use the first two EQ bands shown above, and would instead correct the in-room measured response (below ~300Hz). The loudspeaker's ~100Hz hump may give you a bit more bass headroom so the EQ cut filters are more effective.
So far I was only using <300Hz room EQ, but I might also try to play with the speaker correction based on LW. If I do, I'll try to report back with some measurements and impressions.
Conclusion
Using them with a single SVS SB-1000 sub and miniDSP OpenDRC-DI for room correction in a not-too-big living room, I have to say I'm so far very happy with our M16s . They came on my radar after seeing the ASR review and ended-up being the one that impressed us the most of the loudspeakers we listened to. A year of listening (and many measurements) later it still feels like the right choice.
In case @MZKM and/or @pierre (or others) might be interested to do their magic, CTA-2034-A exports from VCAD are attached as well.
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Additional distortion measurements, analysis of port plugging and additional EQ profiles were added in post #5.
[EDIT 2021-11-20] Impedance magnitude, phase and EPDR plots are added in post #8.
Although this speaker was one of the relatively early ones measured in high precision using Klippel NFS in a review by @amirm (link), I figured it is always nice to have another independent data point so I measured one of mine
A few notes on measurement methodology:
- The loudspeaker has been measured at ~120cm distance from any reflective surfaces, with the microphone at 75cm distance from the speaker, so the first reflection was around 5ms after the main impulse.
- I typically try to measure at 50cm to maximize the gate length, but with this loudspeaker I had a null in the gated measurement around 5kHz that only disappeared when I moved a bit further. Moving to 1m didn't show appreciable difference vs 75cm, and a shorter length gives a bit more window flexibility - hence the choice.
- The reflections were removed by temporal gating at ~5ms in REW to get some (low) resolution of quasi-anechoic measurement down to about 200-300Hz range (resolution is much better above ~1kHz).
- LF response (<300Hz) is spliced from nearfield measurements (baffle step corrected) and therefore not absolutely accurate. Take the absolute shape of the response there with a few grains of salt.
- The loudspeaker front baffle was vertically aligned with the centre of speaker stand/turntable rotation
- Loudspeaker stand has been covered with a blanket to reduce potential reflections and care was taken to angle the microphone boom to minimize boom reflections
- Microphone was pointed to the tweeter axis
- REW, Cross-Spectrum labs calibrated Dayton EMM-6 microphone and RME Babyface interface was used to measure, and VituixCAD to generate the spin (and exported with 1/24 octave resolution)
- Measured without loudspeaker grille
Basic measurements
Anyway, here's the full spinorama for one of the units I own:
Preference rating as calculated by VituixCAD is:
- Speaker alone: 5.3
- Speaker with sub: 7.5
Note that the woofer nearfield measurement shows the ~450Hz resonance that also shows very clearly in Amir's measurement. In my spin this is lost due to low resolution of gated measurements at these frequencies and short window lengths.
Horizontal directivity to 90 degrees:
Note that the on-axis peak around 5kHz is attenuated as we move off-axis - which is also why the LW looks smoother than the on-axis curve.
Horizontal directivity (normalized to on-axis response):
Note that the apparent 'narrowing' of dispersion around 5kHz is actually caused by the on-axis 5kHz peak explained above - since the other angles don't have it as severe and the plot is normalized to on-axis, it looks like narrowing. Therefore the non-normalized plot may be more intuitive in this case:
Vertical directivity (normalized to on-axis response; we can see here that crossover and acoustic response is indeed optimized for the tweeter axis):
Comparisons
Here's how the spin compares to the ASR Klippel NFS spin:
The overall match is pretty nice and I believe the few differences can be easily explained:
- My measurement is a splice of a single nearfield LF measurement with gated polar HF measurement so absolute level of the <300Hz response is not 100% precise. In addition, due to temporal gating, precision between 300-1000Hz in my measurement is pretty low (but much better as we move higher in frequency). In contrast ASR measurement is very high quality and high precision at these frequencies.
- The difference in ER and ERDI curves is a calculation error in older Klippel SW version (since corrected), identified by @napilopez in post #6 of my Neumann KH 120A measurement. If I manually calculate my ER / ERDI curves in the same (incorrect) way there is an almost perfect match:
- I'm not sure about the differences above ~8kHz - I'm assuming maybe in the early ASR measurements a non-calibrated microphone with HF roll-off was used? Anyway, most other M16 measurements (including Revel's own) seem to show rising HF response. Also, I believe the HF wiggliness (a 100% formal technical term) in the Klippel spin was likely caused by the microphone holder and protective cage - if I'm not mistaken @amirm modified the microphone holder and removed the cage in the meantime to avoid such reflections.
Anyway here's a comparison to measurements from a few different sources:
All of the above measurements (of different physical units) are IMO actually very close. In my old measurement of both units' on-axis frequency response we can also see that the unit-to-unit match of M16 appears to be very good - a big plus for Revel in my book
Distortion
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Distortion measurements in post #4 were incorrect and are now replaced by corrected ones in post #5
Haven't really done proper distortion tests on these so I'll just post this single tests done at 76 dB SPL at 1m (from spin):
Hopefully I'll do more tests at somewhat higher levels in the following days.
In-room measurements
We use these in our pretty reflective living room at about 2,3m listening distance. MLP is about 6° below tweeter axis. At this distance I expect the in-room response to track the PIR reasonably close, here's a comparison:
There is indeed a pretty good qualitative match above ~700Hz or so.
Equalization
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Additional EQ profiles in post #5.
Next I designed a flat-LW-target EQ in REW:
This EQ improves the spin a bit (simulated in VituixCAD):Filter Settings file
Room EQ V5.20.2
Dated: 02.10.2021. 22:49:56
Notes:Revel M16 - spinorama LW EQ by dominikz 2021-10-02
Equaliser: Generic
LW
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 100.5 Hz Gain -3.50 dB Q 2.070
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 141.0 Hz Gain -2.00 dB Q 2.000
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1511 Hz Gain -0.70 dB Q 1.000
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 1917 Hz Gain -1.10 dB Q 5.000
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 2511 Hz Gain 1.40 dB Q 5.000
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 3225 Hz Gain 0.70 dB Q 1.001
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5350 Hz Gain -1.70 dB Q 4.116
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 5750 Hz Gain 1.30 dB Q 5.000
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 7541 Hz Gain 0.90 dB Q 5.000
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 13821 Hz Gain 2.60 dB Q 3.397
The preference score also rises to 6,1 (8,4 with sub). Note that if you're using any kind of room EQ I personally wouldn't use the first two EQ bands shown above, and would instead correct the in-room measured response (below ~300Hz). The loudspeaker's ~100Hz hump may give you a bit more bass headroom so the EQ cut filters are more effective.
So far I was only using <300Hz room EQ, but I might also try to play with the speaker correction based on LW. If I do, I'll try to report back with some measurements and impressions.
Conclusion
Using them with a single SVS SB-1000 sub and miniDSP OpenDRC-DI for room correction in a not-too-big living room, I have to say I'm so far very happy with our M16s . They came on my radar after seeing the ASR review and ended-up being the one that impressed us the most of the loudspeakers we listened to. A year of listening (and many measurements) later it still feels like the right choice.
In case @MZKM and/or @pierre (or others) might be interested to do their magic, CTA-2034-A exports from VCAD are attached as well.
[EDIT 2021-11-19] Additional distortion measurements, analysis of port plugging and additional EQ profiles were added in post #5.
[EDIT 2021-11-20] Impedance magnitude, phase and EPDR plots are added in post #8.
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