Heavily EQ'd HD 800S - ASR wants me to pick another pair

[DEF]

So I did EQ my Sennheiser HD800S after people in the forum told me to I should.
Then I did that, and afterwards I posted the result of my PEQ.
Now people say pick the Hifiman HE400SE instead and I feel offended.

I ask this again, what is so bad about having this PEQ? I saw other EQ in the forums where EQ up >6db but in positive and negative were OK.

Preamp: -6.8 db
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 6.7 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 142 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.3
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 212 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2.36
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 1
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1043 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 2.89
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1445 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 3.43
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1959 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.88
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 2640 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 4.5
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 4
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3421 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.47
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 5679 Hz Gain -4.5 dB Q 3.8
Filter 12: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 17: ON LSC Fc 21 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 4.36

What is so bad about this PEQ?
Is it really that horrible? Can you please be more clear about what I broke again?

Not that I am not open to try new headphones, I am just not sure if I find something comparable.
With EQ I can enjoy them... Without, its like a dental drill.

 

[Doodski]

Providing after the PEQ it sounds better to you then that is what matters. For example I get enjoyment from a very bright sound out of my Sennheiser headphones like this.>>> Don't let anybody tell you that your preferred PEQ settings are not good. They are a personal thing.

 

[DEF]

Oh I can also picture this

 

[Doodski]

Oh I can also picture this

View attachment 398215

If that is where you like the sound then that is the correct setting for you.

 

[DWPress]

As long as that +7dB @ 105Hz isn't creating distortion at the SPL you listen at it's probably ok but will explode when pushed hard I suspect. The filter at 21Hz with that much Q probably isn't necessary.

As long as it sounds ok to you and the rest of the filters are an improvement then you're good. No need to buy new cans.

 

[DEF]

As long as that +7dB @ 105Hz isn't creating distortion at the SPL you listen at it's probably ok but will explode when pushed hard I suspect. The filter at 21Hz with that much Q probably isn't necessary.

As long as it sounds ok to you and the rest of the filters are an improvement then you're good. No need to buy new cans.

Yea I know the 21Hz is really not needed and I was just tinkering. Also I can reduce the +7dB.
Great.
Yea most of the filters I really required were around 3kHz

That said, I wished these were as comfortable as DT 770 Pro X - and they don't really make a seal on my head.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

So I did EQ my Sennheiser HD800S after people in the forum told me to I should.
Then I did that, and afterwards I posted the result of my PEQ.
Now people say pick the Hifiman HE400SE instead and I feel offended.

I ask this again, what is so bad about having this PEQ? I saw other EQ in the forums where EQ up >6db but in positive and negative were OK.

Preamp: -6.8 db
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 6.7 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 142 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.3
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 212 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2.36
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 1
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1043 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 2.89
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1445 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 3.43
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1959 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.88
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 2640 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 4.5
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 4
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3421 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.47
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 5679 Hz Gain -4.5 dB Q 3.8
Filter 12: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 17: ON LSC Fc 21 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 4.36

What is so bad about this PEQ?
Is it really that horrible? Can you please be more clear about what I broke again?

Not that I am not open to try new headphones, I am just not sure if I find something comparable.
With EQ I can enjoy them... Without, its like a dental drill.

Don't know who would tell you that here. Most ASR members understand the validity of PEQ, and know it's especially effective with headphones. As for the +6.7 at 120 hz, there should be no problem with digital clipping because you backed off the preamp by 6.8 db. The remaining issue is the bass distortion you might exacerbate in the 800S which already has a fair amount in the stock tuning. Personally, that's why I went with the OG HD 800 and Dupont modded them to ameliorate the 6kz frame resonance. The original unit doesn't have the bass distortion that the "S" version has. But it might not be audible for you b/c the ear isn't all that sensitive to distortion in that area. If you like it, no problem. If you find yourself noticing it and it starts to become annoying, you might want to pick up the OG phones on Ebay, maybe even find someone who has NOS.

 

[solderdude]

With EQ I can enjoy them... Without, its like a dental drill.

Many feel that way. I never use them without EQ (original HD800 which is 'worse' in this aspect than HD800S)

The HE-400SE is not the 'better' headphone here.
The only thing it has going for it over the HD800S is that one can EQ the bass up a bit better and is a lot cheaper.
Sold my hifimans (had various models) but still enjoy the HD800 the most, including some other headphones)

Whether or not one likes a headphone is a personal choice.
It really does not matter what someone else thinks about any headphone. They don't have your ears, preferences and may judge 'comfort' differently.
A headphone is a personal device and only YOUR opinion matters.

What other people think about your EQ also does not matter, they may have different preferences or aging of hearing, may play at different listening levels or like other types of music.

When you don't like it, for whatever reason, and can't fix that with adjusting EQ to your taste just return it and look for something you do like.
When you can enjoy them with EQ then just keep them and enjoy them when you find them comfortable as well.

 

[DEF]

Many feel that way. I never use them without EQ (original HD800 which is 'worse' in this aspect than HD800S)

The HE-400SE is not the 'better' headphone here.
The only thing it has going for it is that one can EQ the bass up a bit better and a lot cheaper.
Sold my hifimans (had various models) but still enjoy the HD800 the most, including some other headphones)

Whether or not one likes a headphone is a personal choice.
It really does not matter what someone else thinks about any headphone. They don't have your ears, preferences and may judge 'comfort' differently.
A headphone is a personal device and only YOUR opinion matters.

What other people think about your EQ also does not matter, they may have different preferences or aging of hearing, may play at different listening levels or like other types of music.

When you don't like it, for whatever reason, and can't fix that with adjusting EQ to your taste just return it and look for something you do like.
When you can enjoy them with EQ then just keep them and enjoy them when you find them comfortable as well.

Love your response. Thanks!

 

[Dazerdoreal]

I agree with everyone that you can do with your headphone whatever you like.
But while it sounds nice, I dont think it is the most helpful thing to say here.

Your EQ does look very random in parts and I guess, a better understanding of parametric EQ could improve your sound experience a lot.
Not in the sense of brighter or darker, but to make the sound more "right" and cohesive.

For example, when I see what you did with the Filters 12-16, it does look to me as if you did not understand yet how PEQ works to be honest.

Filter 12: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1

Filter 12 is a HSC filter to modify the treble. (This is a typical thing AutoEQ does. AutoEQ was probably your starting point.)

Filter 12: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 0.6666667

This means: A downslope of 5DB after 10000 hz. This is what a HSC does (high shelf filter). The Q means how heavily the downslope is tilted.

So, if you want to reduce the treble more, you can just modify Filter 12. You can make start the downslope earlier (usually not recommended with these kinds of filters) or the amount it is tilted down.

The additional filters look very random and are so wide that they likely also reduce areas which you might not want to have reduced.

 

[DEF]

I agree with everyone that you can do with your headphone whatever you like.
But while it sounds nice, I dont think it is the most helpful thing to say here.

Your EQ does look very random in parts and I guess, a better understanding of parametric EQ could improve your sound experience a lot.
Not in the sense of brighter or darker, but to make the sound more "right" and cohesive.

For example, when I see what you did with the Filters 12-16, it does look to me as if you did not understand yet how PEQ works to be honest.

Filter 12 is a HSC filter to modify the treble. (This is a typical thing AutoEQ does. AutoEQ was probably your starting point.)


This means: A downslope of 5DB after 10000 hz. This is what a HSC does (high shelf filter). The Q means how heavily the downslope is tilted.

So, if you want to reduce the treble more, you can just modify Filter 12. You can make start the downslope earlier (usually not recommended with these kinds of filters) or the amount it is tilted down.

The additional filters look very random and are so wide that they likely also reduce areas which you might not want to have reduced.

I wanted extra filters to selectively just diminish some frequencies.
Because I listen to music and reduce what I don't like.
And yes, this is my first time using the EQ and it gets me the wanted result.

I basically play back the parts of the music with mpv in a loop and adjust till I am happy.

I did not use AutoEQ as starting point.
I did start from oratory csv file for the HD 800 S.
Maybe it would be easier to have a graphical representation of this somehow?

How do I get a graphical representation of it?
Can AutoEQ do it? Can you recommend AutoEQ???
Or do I need to get Fabfilter for having this user-friendly?

FabFilter Pro-Q 3 - Equalizer Plug-In

FabFilter Pro-Q 3 is a high quality equalizer plug-in with unrivalled sound and interface. Available in VST, VST3, AU, CLAP, AAX and AudioSuite formats for Windows and macOS

www.fabfilter.com

I already know https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ows-linux-macos-ios-ipados-and-android.18450/

I am on Linux that would mean I need to run WINE VST BRIDGE

Preamp: -6.8 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 21 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 6.7 dB Q 0.67
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 142 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.3
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 212 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2.36
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 1
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1043 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 2.89
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1445 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 3.43
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1959 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.88
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 2640 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 4.5
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 4
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 3421 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.47
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 1
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 4648 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5679 Hz Gain -4.8 dB Q 3.8
Filter 15: ON HSC Fc 6400 Hz Gain 0 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON HSC Fc 7200 Hz Gain -3.8 dB Q 1
Filter 17: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 0.67
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 1
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 1
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 21: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1
Filter 22: ON PK Fc 18000 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1

 

[Dazerdoreal]

I wanted extra filters to selectively just diminish some frequencies.

On Peak filters (PK), the Q value defines how wide the changes are you make.
The lower the Q value, the wider the area you influence. (Important: This only goes for PK filters. Q has a different meaning on HSC/LSC filters.)

Q1 is very wide and not useful to diminish a specific frequency. For example, this is what the following filter does on its own:

Filter 19: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 1

The green line is the new frequency response which is changed by your filter. Only this filter.
So you might think you only influenced specifically 12k, but you already influence this whole area starting from 3k. (The website the screenshot is from is linked down below.)

I did not use AutoEQ as starting point.
I did start from oratory csv file for the HD 800 S.

You probably use something which is based on Oratory1990s measurements, very likely done by using AutoEQ.
But not Oratory1990s own EQ. He does not work with csv files.

This is the Oratory1990 EQ did for the 800 S.

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

You find the numbers he uses for his EQ on the bottom left.

Maybe it would be easier to have a graphical representation of this somehow?

I agree. This might be what you are looking for. Take a look here and click on Equalizer. You can enter your values here and see how frequency response changes.
https://graph.hangout.audio/headphones/?share=Harman_AE_OE_2018_Target,HD800S (HSC filters = HSQ here, and LSC = LSQ.)

 

[Dazerdoreal]

One thing I would like to add:
To get a quick and satisfactory result as a beginner, your best chance is just to enter the numbers of the Oratory1990 EQ (the Dropbox link) into your software.

Considering what you are telling us, his EQ is also probably too bright for you by default. But he has set certain filters you can adjust by preference.
He created filter 9 to adjust the treble by preference.

By default, his filter 9 is set to +1,0DB. If this is too bright for you, reduce this filter in 0,5db steps until you are happy with the amount of treble. I would not recommend to add more filters until you really understand what you are doing, no offense.

 

[DEF]

One thing I would like to add:
To get a quick and satisfactory result as a beginner, your best chance is just to enter the numbers of the Oratory1990 EQ (the Dropbox link) into your software.

Considering what you are telling us, his EQ is also probably too bright for you by default. But he has set certain filters you can adjust by preference.
He created filter 9 to adjust the treble by preference.

On default, his filter 9 is set to +1,0DB. If this is too bright for you, reduce this filter in 0,5db steps until you are happy with the amount of treble. I would not recommend to add more filters until you really understand what you are doing, no offense.

Hmm. I tried it.

At minimum, I appear to require -11 db at 2100Hz and that is not even the whole story.
It is still is painful in parts.

Preamp: -6.8 db
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 40 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 0.6
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain 4.5 dB Q 0.71
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 210 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 0.9
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 2100 Hz Gain -11.38 dB Q 0.9
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 2600 Hz Gain -8.85 dB Q 4
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5400 Hz Gain -8.18 dB Q 6
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 6100 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 5.5
Filter 9: ON HSC Fc 9000 Hz Gain -8.01 dB Q 0.71
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 6

I still prefer the curve I posted before, as it cost me 5 hours to create and sounds more gentle

Hmm, let us test something. I tell you the maximum comfortable volume level on RME ADI-2 DAC FS with complete device defaults.

=> -62.0 dB

With the previously posted EQ I can go up to -30 dB
There is just a harshness that won't go away with these unless you cut hard

 

[Jimbob54]

I wanted extra filters to selectively just diminish some frequencies.
Because I listen to music and reduce what I don't like.
And yes, this is my first time using the EQ and it gets me the wanted result.

I basically play back the parts of the music with mpv in a loop and adjust till I am happy.

I did not use AutoEQ as starting point.
I did start from oratory csv file for the HD 800 S.
Maybe it would be easier to have a graphical representation of this somehow?

How do I get a graphical representation of it?
Can AutoEQ do it? Can you recommend AutoEQ???
Or do I need to get Fabfilter for having this user-friendly?

FabFilter Pro-Q 3 - Equalizer Plug-In

FabFilter Pro-Q 3 is a high quality equalizer plug-in with unrivalled sound and interface. Available in VST, VST3, AU, CLAP, AAX and AudioSuite formats for Windows and macOS

www.fabfilter.com

I already know https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ows-linux-macos-ios-ipados-and-android.18450/

I am on Linux that would mean I need to run WINE VST BRIDGE

Preamp: -6.8 dB
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 21 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 6.7 dB Q 0.67
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 142 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.3
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 212 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2.36
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 1
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1043 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 2.89
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1445 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 3.43
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1959 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.88
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 2640 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 4.5
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 4
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 3421 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.47
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 1
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 4648 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 5679 Hz Gain -4.8 dB Q 3.8
Filter 15: ON HSC Fc 6400 Hz Gain 0 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON HSC Fc 7200 Hz Gain -3.8 dB Q 1
Filter 17: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 0.67
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 1
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 1
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 21: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1
Filter 22: ON PK Fc 18000 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 1

Without wishing to offend- this does not look to be an EQ many (and I mean nobody) SHOULD like. Or you are listening very, very loud.

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[Jimbob54]

Hmm. I tried it.

At minimum, I appear to require -11 db at 2100Hz and that is not even the whole story.
It is still is painful in parts.

Preamp: -6.8 db
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 40 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 0.6
Filter 2: ON LSC Fc 100 Hz Gain 4.5 dB Q 0.71
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 210 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 0.9
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain -0.9 dB Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 2100 Hz Gain -11.38 dB Q 0.9
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 2600 Hz Gain -8.85 dB Q 4
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5400 Hz Gain -8.18 dB Q 6
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 6100 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 5.5
Filter 9: ON HSC Fc 9000 Hz Gain -8.01 dB Q 0.71
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 6

I still prefer the curve I posted before, as it cost me 5 hours to create and sounds more gentle

Hmm, let us test something. I tell you the maximum comfortable volume level on RME ADI-2 DAC FS with complete device defaults.

=> -62.0 dB

With the previously posted EQ I can go up to -30 dB
There is just a harshness that won't go away with these unless you cut hard

This one is, unbelievably, worse

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Compare industry-standard GRAS 43AG-7 headphone graphs, measured by Crinacle.

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The part about -62db on the RME suggests one of 2 things to me. Either you need to consult a doctor or you are not being entirely sincere.

 

[DEF]

This one is, unbelievably, worse

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Compare industry-standard GRAS 43AG-7 headphone graphs, measured by Crinacle.

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The part about -62db on the RME suggests one of 2 things to me. Either you need to consult a doctor or you are not being entirely sincere.

Ableism 1o1. You are unbelievably unethical saying that. Think about what you did.
In any case, my DT 770 Pro I can easily listen to with -27.5 dB setting.
Not with HD 800 S at stock.

I'll draw in that graph then you see a bit more what I need to do with the HD 800 S to become bearable.
This is from memory - in black

 

[Phorize]

So I did EQ my Sennheiser HD800S after people in the forum told me to I should.
Then I did that, and afterwards I posted the result of my PEQ.
Now people say pick the Hifiman HE400SE instead and I feel offended.

I ask this again, what is so bad about having this PEQ? I saw other EQ in the forums where EQ up >6db but in positive and negative were OK.

Preamp: -6.8 db
Filter 1: ON LSC Fc 105 Hz Gain 6.7 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 142 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.3
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 212 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2.36
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 1
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1043 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 2.89
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1445 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 3.43
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1959 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 0.88
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 2640 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 4.5
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 4
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3421 Hz Gain -0.5 dB Q 5.47
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 5679 Hz Gain -4.5 dB Q 3.8
Filter 12: ON HSC Fc 10000 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 0.6666667
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 11000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 12000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 14000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 1
Filter 17: ON LSC Fc 21 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 4.36

What is so bad about this PEQ?
Is it really that horrible? Can you please be more clear about what I broke again?

Not that I am not open to try new headphones, I am just not sure if I find something comparable.
With EQ I can enjoy them... Without, its like a dental drill.

The 800s is an outstanding headphone, just eq it how you like but watch out for distortion if using alot of gain. You'll know if it's distorting because it won't sound as nice.

 

[Jimbob54]

Ableism 1o1. You are unbelievably unethical saying that. Think about what you did.
In any case, my DT 770 Pro I can easily listen to with -27.5 dB setting.
Not with HD 800 S at stock.

I'll draw in that graph then you see a bit more what I need to do with the HD 800 S to become bearable.

I've just turned my rme down to -62 . It's unbelievably quiet to the point it wouldnt matter what headphone you were listening to .

I apologize if you have a condition that makes you very sensitive to sound and you felt I was belittling that but you're happily criticising the hd800s for having a wonky tuning . And , frankly, horribly misrepresenting what was said to you in the 800s review thread in the opening post of this thread .

There is of course the possibility that there is something horribly wrong with your system or unit .but that eq you posted lowers every frequency and some to near none existence . Nobody would design or build a headphone to what appears to be your preferences .

 

[DEF]

By the way, I regularly see the audiologist

I've just turned my rme down to -62 . It's unbelievably quiet to the point it wouldnt matter what headphone you were listening to .

I apologize if you have a condition that makes you very sensitive to sound and you felt I was belittling that but you're happily criticising the hd800s for having a wonky tuning . And , frankly, horribly misrepresenting what was said to you in the 800s review thread in the opening post of this thread .

There is of course the possibility that there is something horribly wrong with your system or unit .but that eq you posted lowers every frequency and some to near none existence . Nobody would design or build a headphone to what appears to be your preferences .

There are a couple that do work no problem:
DT 770 Pro, DT 990 Pro, AKG K812, Dan Clark Ether 2, Audeze LCD-2 Classic

Pick one and assume why they work for me