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Because a) they are loaned such gear b) they cater to audiophile myths and c) it is marketing. Equipment sounds good despite these tube products, not because of them.
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PrimaLuna Dialogue Three Preamp Review
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You are welcome to state your opinions and also to take some time to learn from the educated folks on this site.
But if you start jumping around and crossposting misinformation all over the site, trolling, the mods will be happy to deal with you.
Now asto your comment. It is perfectly true that tube amp's can be designed to provide a relatively transparent amplification. But it is also perfectly true that a large majority of modern tube amp's are designed to not be transparent and introduce a sound of their own as will the above PrimaLuna
If you like it's sound, that's fine, but it doesn't sound like the master source.
Seems many of those from the past perform better than most of the modern gear you refer to, assuming you are talking about actual signal fidelity.
Because they can look really nice with all the glowiness, and because there is a lot of mythology surrounding the wonderfulness of tube gear would be my guess.
They don't *have* to be fuzzboxes, even though they often are.
One thread is plenty.
Which, I'll add, is the generally shared opinion of the technical guys here.
"You are welcome to state your opinions and also to take some time to learn from the educated folks on this site.
But if you start jumping around and crossposting misinformation all over the site, trolling, the mods will be happy to deal with you."
So you don't like/agree with my observation of the gross generalizations stated here and you declare it is "misinformation" and threaten to censor me?
That's mature SaL
But if you start jumping around and crossposting misinformation all over the site, trolling, the mods will be happy to deal with you."
So you don't like/agree with my observation of the gross generalizations stated here and you declare it is "misinformation" and threaten to censor me?
That's mature SaL
That reflects back on a time when the work of real engineers was respected. They were constantly measureing and designing new ways of making the gear of the day more transparent. Once that goal was reached, many/most in the high-end went into reverse gear with a pleasingly distorted sound now being the new goal.
What's mainly generalized is that much of modern tube gear is designed to have a house sound, not to be transparent.
The reviews and numbers don't lie.
In your first post here you threaten to cross post a rant at tube reviews all over the site.
Crossposting in that manner is considered bad form on any website.
You appeared here already in attack mode, what did you expect.
It was just fair warning from one of our most senior members. You can take the chip off your shoulder and holster your attitude or you won't be here long.
If you want good faith discussion, by all means have at it. If you're just here to tell us all how wrong we are, in multiple threads, you can figure you've made your point much like many who have come before you.
I drIve a stick (I’ve had VW, Mazda, and a BMW M3 all with a stick). I enjoyed them on rural roads (there are many nice low-traffic rural roads in New England), but not so much in stop & go traffic.
I‘ve driven them in Italy as well. Honestly, I hated driving in Italy (around Rome and Tuscany, mostly, but also from Milan into and around the Dolomites). There was a lot of traffic, the police nab you with cameras and send you expensive tickets after you get home, and I generally found the other drivers a little crazy*. Up in the twisties in the hills, you were as likely to get stuck behind bikers or some other obstruction as to be able to open up. But I’m sure some of that was unfamiliarity.
As for tubes, They were fun, but get in the way of just turning on the music and chilling. Particularly the chilling.
*and I live in New York City (and lived in Boston, the #1 crazy driver city, IMO).
I‘ve driven them in Italy as well. Honestly, I hated driving in Italy (around Rome and Tuscany, mostly, but also from Milan into and around the Dolomites). There was a lot of traffic, the police nab you with cameras and send you expensive tickets after you get home, and I generally found the other drivers a little crazy*. Up in the twisties in the hills, you were as likely to get stuck behind bikers or some other obstruction as to be able to open up. But I’m sure some of that was unfamiliarity.
As for tubes, They were fun, but get in the way of just turning on the music and chilling. Particularly the chilling.
*and I live in New York City (and lived in Boston, the #1 crazy driver city, IMO).
^This.
The point is that there is no generalization. There was no taking a tube preamp and speculating about its likely poor performance.
It was duly measured in various parameters and expressed exactly what is expected from these products, very high distortion.
These are not generalizations, they are measurements.
JSmith
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What amazes me is it took you over 2 years after joining to actually post anything... until today.
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I wonder if this one would test better?
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Jimster480
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Some people just lurk.
Waxx
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Italy has by far the worst drivers in the EU in my experience, and i've been arround a lot, especially in Italy (region Como, Milan, Bergamo) as my ex is from there.
I also prefer stick drive, altough modern automatic gearboxes are a lot better than 10-20 years ago. I need to switch company cars arround newyear and my new one will be automatic, and i'm not looking forward to it... But I have no choice, all company cars in my company are automatic now as it saves fuel (and so costs) it seems.
Waxx
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They are build the same way, the thing that is the upgrade is more fancy parts, so i don't think it will be "better".I wonder if this one would test better?
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But i own an (older) Prima Luna amp, and i love the coloured sound. It's technical inferior to my class D amps, and even my class AB transistor amp, but the sound is very pleasing to the ear. But if you want a clean neutral amp, Prima Luna is not for you.
Jimster480
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Auto saves fuel? How is that? You basically don't ever see automatics with more gas mileage than manuals...
Waxx
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I don't know, that's what the company says. I prefer manual, and I don't think it makes a difference on gas mileage. I'm an economical driver anyway.
Not so much, John Atkinson measured it way back in 2014 and was "kind" in his evaluations.I wonder if this one would test better?
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Its hard to separate out the preamp function alone but it appears to have that Prima Luna house sound.
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I don’t trust Stereophile measurements, or any other rags since they have huge conflict of interest as they are paid by these manufacturers through advertising and receive hand selected units from these manufacturers!
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