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No, not another cables matter thread!

Stuff like this is really frustrating, because you do not suspect a ‘commodity,’ except when it proves not to be one. Yes, someone takes Canare and Neutrik and puts their brand on it, but that name should be the focus for something out of phase, right? I would seek a refund, if possible, but …

I appreciate that you don’t know where you got it from. I truly (and most friends of mine with a house) have boxes of cables, but it is a question of workmanship, right? That leads me to think I get what I pay for.
 
In my experience the stereo panorama collapses if one channel is out of phase, so should be obviously audible.
 
In my experience the stereo panorama collapses if one channel is out of phase, so should be obviously audible.
Or it becomes delicate and airy, evoking the true feel of the recorded space
 
All true, my point was that even something as simple as a cable can't be taken for granted. Like most here, I assumed that my quality cables with Neutrik connectors were beyond reproach.

I mean, how many of us verify the DCR, inductance. capacitance, and polarity of our cables before using them to make sure they are not concealing an issue?
*cough,cough*
Truth is that there are the paranoid ones who check everything before putting it to chain :cool:
(yes,even the cross-impedance (not sure about the term) of the cables,I have seen strange numbers this way apart from bad stuff like the pics of the Cordial I have posted couple of times)
 
That really is the point - something as gross a channel being inverted phase, when listened to in a room, isn’t as obviously wrong as we might like to think! I had an out of phase woofer once and it was weeks before I realised what was going on.
Good point. The case I remember was a nearfield listening situation with one speaker being inverted. Seems reasonable to say that's the most perceptively obvious situation possible for that kind of error, with other scenarios being much less obvious.
 
Or it becomes delicate and airy, evoking the true feel of the recorded space
Reminds me of an audition of the classic Avantguard Acoustic Trio speakers at a highend show of my back then local dealer. Me and a group of other people listend to the system and it did sound weird, so after a few minutes I asked the demo guy (one of the founders) to check the wiring since one of the chassis sounded out of phase.

Turned out I was right. Funny is that nobody else noticed it, even not the guys setting up the system.
 
Yes, absolutely, but mostly I was embarrassed by how long it took for me to figure it out!
Wow what a problem you had to deal with. No need to feel embarrassed. It happens time to time with me as a head maintenance guy. I do agree you have to go behind and check out the product you buy or was sent in for repairs. I’M glade you figured it out. That’s all that counts.
 
Everytime I see one of these wire threads all I can think of is this.

I grew up in a small NYS village of 3500, where the two main occupations were farming or the wire industry. I basically grew up in the epicenter of the US drawn copper wire industry, at this time within a 50 mile radius, there were almost 25 different companies making copper wire. Over the years with consolidation, we are down to about 5, most of the plants are still in operation, they were bought out by the largest one. About 50% of the guys I graduated with, worked in the wire mill, like their fathers and grandfathers before them.

Later in life I put the boilers in the largest companies’ main plant, I got to know the head engineer, I showed him a magazine article about some “magic” speaker wire. About 1-2 hours later he handed me back the magazine and said, he never laughed so hard, he said after 40 yrs in the wire industry, if there was a secret design or manufacturing step that improved the performance of the wire, they would all be doing it. He said copper wire is copper wire, he said the only true variable is the grade of the copper, the percentages of impurities, if high enough it can cause issues. They tested every load of copper coming in, kept only what they specified, returned a lot of it.

I drove by the plant this weekend and it was humming along, as usual.
 
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