I haven’t tried GLM with multiple subs simultaneously, so I can’t comment on that. I can say that when the sub is positioned well, it does a good job tuning the sub for the most part. Two things I had to tune manually are:
1. Positioning of course, since software can’t do that for you. My initial position was bad and required me to boost the sub 10db manually to get reasonable results. Once positioned well, the level was calibrated well by GLM.
2. The crossover default wasn’t good for my room. Looking at the in-room response of the main speakers vs the sub, it was clear that the sub had a null around 80hz that the main speakers did not. So by lowering the crossover to 50hz or so and re-running calibration, I got much better sounding results. Fortunately the 8351B’s are quite capable of such a low crossover even at very loud levels.
3. Unrelated to subs, but I find that GLM’s default of flat in-room response is not ideal (too bright). So every time I calibrate, the first thing I do is go into the “sound character profile” menu and set a -1db/octave target curve from the presets menu. You can tune it further by hand but I find that setting is my preferred one anyway.
I might overlook something, but why would this be the case?And if doesn't work, I guess I'm screwed.
Quested measurements available through the S&R monitor special, one of their more expensive 3-ways. I'd rather buy ATCs. And that's saying something.
Because GLM 3 doesn't work with anything later than 10.14. So there would be nothing to back up as it won't work.I might overlook something, but why would this be the case?
If you backup your GLM 3 setup files and leave those untouched, you could always revert back from GLM 4 and restore your previous backup.(?) // Else, you could set-up a virtual machine (VM) containing another image of macOS 11 and use this for risk-free testing.
So: you cannot use GLM 3 in any case - do I get this part right?Because GLM 3 doesn't work with anything later than 10.14. So there would be nothing to back up as it won't work.
No ignorance. I guess I was not clear. This is a pre-purchase question. It appears Genelec never upgraded GLM 3 to work with anything higher than 10.14 and it does not appear that the GLM 4 Beta works with OS 11. So the issue is: I don't want to purchase $8 to $10 grand in speakers and not be able to utilize one of its USPs, GLM.So: you cannot use GLM 3 in any case - do I get this part right?
What would then be the risk to see if GLM 4 works? Please forgive my ignorance, if I still cannot understand the issue.
I suspect not much aside from JTR can touch Rythmik’s performance for the price. I once put my Rythmik F12 in the same tiny room the 7360 is now in, and it was rattling the windows and door before it even came close to its limits. The Rythmik F12 dominates the Genelec 7360 without breaking sweat.Are the Genelec 7360 on par with your Rhythmik subs on performance? And also, is your Rhythmik well integrated with your passives (Revel/Focal) via minidsp (I guess for bass management)? Are the Rhythmik subs better integrated or Genelec GLM set up is better integrated?
Also, while the miniDSP SHD has Dirac, it only applies as a filter on stereo input channels, not the four output channels. What this means is it’s EQing the speakers and subs together as one, whereas the miniDSP is capable of independently EQing all four output channels but ONLY if you use miniDSP’s own filter configuration software which is fully manual. In contrast, GLM works by equalizing the speakers and sub independently, which I find gives better results and is less sensitive to listening position variations.
I just signed up for and installed the GLM 4 Beta today. Was really great to see that GLM 4 actually works on my new Macbook Pro, so no more having to use the old machine with a cracked screen. I'm going through this training course atm, which I would recommend you do too. You can skip most of the first video, as they mostly just go through Genelec's history(unless you want to hear that). The second video is more useful and walks you through the GLM setup process. Towards the end, they get into subwoofer integration, and it looks like you have the option to EQ the subs individually or as a whole.
Thank you for the explanation, now it makes sense.[...] It appears Genelec never upgraded GLM 3 to work with anything higher than 10.14 and it does not appear that the GLM 4 Beta works with OS 11. So the issue is: I don't want to purchase $8 to $10 grand in speakers and not be able to utilize one of its USPs, GLM.
I suspect not much aside from JTR can touch Rythmik’s performance for the price. I once put my Rythmik F12 in the same tiny room the 7360 is now in, and it was rattling the windows and door before it even came close to its limits. The Rythmik F12 dominates the Genelec 7360 without breaking sweat.
What I like about the 7360 is features, ease of integration with other Genelecs, and durability. The durability is a big one for my home office where one of the only good places to put it is under my desk, where there’s a risk of my feet kicking into it if not careful. The Genelec driver is covered by thick metal bars, so is pretty much bulletproof to leave under the desk. The Rythmik has a cover made of thin cloth (which is probably pretty fragile) and no other protection, and is meant as a domestic audiophile product certainly not meant for the abuse Genelec is designed for. With that said there is nothing lacking in quality of the Rythmik in any way — it’s just not designed for “industrial” levels of durability.
In terms of integration, yeah I have my Rythmik’s integrated just as well with the miniDSP SHD, but it takes considerable effort and the software is really finnicky and poorly designed IMO. Even if the software wasn’t buggy, it’s a pain to calibrate the phase because you have to just test and measure across a wide range of possibilities to find the best match manually, whereas the GLM software does this automatically. Also, while the miniDSP SHD has Dirac, it only applies as a filter on stereo input channels, not the four output channels. What this means is it’s EQing the speakers and subs together as one, whereas the miniDSP is capable of independently EQing all four output channels but ONLY if you use miniDSP’s own filter configuration software which is fully manual. In contrast, GLM works by equalizing the speakers and sub independently, which I find gives better results and is less sensitive to listening position variations. So unfortunately I find myself not really using Dirac all that much and I prefer instead to find a small number of filters to apply to each speaker that works best across a wide range of listening positions. This isn’t easy and takes hours of trial and error whereas GLM does this automatically. That said, GLM’s job is easier in that I only tune it for a single seating position whereas my miniDSP + Revel Salon2 + Rythmik’s I tune for a larger living room seating area (which is where the Salon2 shines anyway due to its very wide dispersion), which is much harder to get right.
I’ve even encountered very frustrating bugs on the miniDSP where the DSP settings it’s showing on my PC do NOT match what’s being actually used on the device, no matter how much I try to sync it (only a factory reset worked). I wouldn’t have known if not for the ability to detect the issue with REW and calibration mic. Overall I would say miniDSP gets the job done and it works well once it’s all tuned in, but it’s a huge pain to actually use and program the thing.
The Genelec software isn’t super pretty and doesn’t have a sleek ultra modern UI, but it gets the job done without any functional bugs I’ve encountered so far. The only bugs I’ve seen so far are window resizing and minimizing glitches, which are pretty predictable once you get used to them, and easy to work around.
Nope, it's just the newest one. Neumann (former Klein & Hummel) usually sells models over a longer time span than consumer oriented companies, as far as I see it's at least 10 years.It's weird their cheapest monitor has DSP and the rest don't.
I have a similar situation and I'm trying to find your new thread.@echopraxia:
I will also open a new thread to see if anyone has integrated GLM speakers with non Genelec subwoofers. If yes, how did they manage the sub integration closer to GLM.
I have a similar situation and I'm trying to find your new thread.
May be you are looking for this thread https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...c-subwoofers-with-genelec-sam-monitors.17769/. I will also search if I have another one. In the mean time, I am very happy with my set up. The SVS subs are corrected via miniDSP DDRC24 by using DIRAC. The genetics are corrected via GLM. To my ears, I see them well integrated. Ofcourse, with SAM subs, the correction will be done considering both the Genelec speakers and Genelec subs together.