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Has there been a response from NAD in the meantime?Already done. Appreciate everyone's suggestions.
Has there been a response from NAD in the meantime?Already done. Appreciate everyone's suggestions.
Has there been a response from NAD in the meantime?
Yes you are correct. Correct. It's a trade off on performance vs. cost and time. They have to hit a price point and need to hit a delivery schedule, and have a budget to stick to.
If they continue to develop this product they will apply what they learned from the M33 but didn't have the time or resources to incorporate, into the next revision of the device. Maybe it will be called the iphone 3GS.
I agree with all your points. I also wish that NAD would open a direct to customer model for their Masters series. This would provide two benefits to NAD and consumers:
1. Provide more profit margin so NAD can make more money and also use higher quality components.
2. Provide a higher level of service than you get from buying the classic line.
They can keep their retail network in place but add a channel for the Masters series for those that would rather purchase direct from NAD. As much as I’d love to see a local Hi-Fi retailer survive, the reality is that I’ve never had a great experience with any of them; I’d prefer the money go the manufacturer, where the benefits may accrue to them and the consumer.
Perhaps with Bluesound, NAD has a wide enough reach to open brand stores in key centres for people that like to touch and feel a product before buying it.
Brand stores can be interesting because I think the NAD name is wellknown enough for that but the problem then is that NAD needs to offer complete systems for the customer, from the source tot the speaker and at the moment they don't offer that.
What points do you have to complain about in terms of quality?for me the quality should be better then is delivered at the moment.
What points do you have to complain about in terms of quality?
According to NAD, there will be a solution here, but the implementation is probably more complex than assumed.My main concern are the issues mentioned by other uses, the audible distortion in certain tracks, the subwoofer issues and the software glitches mentioned.
From my point of view, the M33 plays at a very high level and I find it difficult to name a better chain right down to the speaker.The M33 measures very good although it's not the best possible (stated by Armir in the review), I think that a company like NAD has the resources to design a unit that has the best specifications possible but for some reasons they chose not do that and that is a pity.
An AHB2, for example, would not work well on my loudspeaker because of the moderate damping factor, i.e. the bass range would sound spongy to me. If you operate the AHB2 in bridged mode, the damping factor would be halved again. Among other things, I miss such a measurement in the reviews that you can really hear well in the real world.
This is highly unlikely. It takes a lot of source impedance to cause audible bass damping effects. A damping factor of 350 (the AHB2 rating) means a source impedance of about 20 milliohms before you even connect your speaker cables. That's about a hundred times lower than anything that could plausibly make bass sound "spongy."
Here is an extreme example that was also misinterpreted by the tester:
Uniti Nova vs M33
The Naim with its lower DF adds massive deflections in the low frequency range that do not correspond to the original input signal!
It's all a question of taste or whether you want to compensate for deficits in speakers.
I have had my speakers for 30 years and have connected a number of amplifiers to them. Amplifiers with a higher DF played more precisely in the bass range, which is even reflected in the spatial representation!
I also asked Benchmark several times whether the DF of 350 on the AHB2 is correct, without getting an answer.
Soundstagenetwork measured <300. I then asked the following questions:
Does the AHB2 have a series scattering with regard to the damping factor (see Soundstagenetwork re-measurement, which is below the spec) !?
However, at low levels, most amplifier designs have a damping factor that is 5-10 times lower. Can you provide any DF data regarding different levels?
The internal resistance of an amplifier is also essentially dependent on the circuitry temperature and the load. Do you have any further data on this?
What would the answers look like in bridged mode too?
I can only say that the M33 does a great job on potent speakers. Amplifiers with a moderate DF make my bass range spongy.
You should just have heard the M33.
Above you can see a DF of 0.5. Below one of 200 at 85Hz.
I do not think so. This example only shows the simplified different result with a test stimuli at a single frequency. A music signal has a more complex structure and which undesirable deflections can result from it can be easily heard depending on the setup.
Used same speakers and same cables.@Kal Rubinson
Are the following things also taken into account in your upcoming comparison test?:
- heavy coned, big magnet, and low impedance speaker
- speaker cable length
And one year in China Another reason for NAD to go direct to consumer. They can regain control of their brand.Their warranty is 2 years in the US and 5 years in Europe! It makes no sense
And one year in China Another reason for NAD to go direct to consumer. They can regain control of their brand.