Moondrop x Crinacle DUSK

[Doodski]

I suppose it's due to the used Bluetooth codec. A brick wall like this is typical for AAC (at 17kHz to be precise).

Very cool... I use a Samsung Galaxy S23 cel tel.
QUOTE>>>
"Samsung's Seamless codec supports up to 24-bit HiFi audio with a maximum bitrate of 512Kbps and a low of 88Kbps. In contrast, AAC broadcasts at up to 264Kbps, and SBC broadcasts at up to 328Kbps, though with a weaker compression algorithm resulting in worse audio quality. As a result, you'll have the best audio experience if you have a Samsung smartphone, but you can still use these earphones with pretty much any device if you want thanks to the universal coverage of both AAC and SBC.
Keep in mind, though, there are no other codecs such as LDAC or aptX."
SOURCE>>>

https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-buds-2-pro-audio-codec-support/

 

[IAtaman]

What exactly is the unique value proposition of this IEM supposed to be?

Just watched Crinicle's video. This is what I understood to be the USP of the new Dusk.

• 6KHz peak, or rather lack thereof.​
• DSP cable that offers some corrections and tuning options.​
• Custom profiles of the FreeDSP cable that you can not do with Moondrop app.​

 

[Chromatischism]

Just watched Crinicle's video. This is what I understood to be the USP of the new Dusk.

• 6KHz peak, or rather lack thereof​

I would add frequency response extension to that list as well. Most IEMs drop pretty hard after 10 kHz.

 

[IAtaman]

I would add frequency response extension to that list as well. Most IEMs drop pretty hard after 10 kHz.

I classified that under DSP corrections as it is achieved via DSP. Without DSP correction, it also drops pretty hard.

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[Fregly]

Apparently the nozzle is around 5.5mm. Isn't that thinner than average, and so more comfortable for some?

 

[Berwhale]

I have the Buds2 Pro and tuned them for high end and they sound pretty good to me.

I like the sound of the Buds Pro, but I find it difficult to keep them in my ears, which is a bit of an issue when i'm trying to walk the dogs!

 

[mc.god]

I classified that under DSP corrections as it is achieved via DSP. Without DSP correction, it also drops pretty hard.

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I think the blue line in your graph is Blessing 2 Dusk, not the new Dusk with 3.5 cable.
It should be this
https://hbb.squig.link/?share=Moondrop_Dusk,Dsp,Moon_Dusk_2_L

 

[Somafunk]

Just watched Crinicle's video. This is what I understood to be the USP of the new Dusk.

• 6KHz peak, or rather lack thereof.​
• DSP cable that offers some corrections and tuning options.​
• Custom profiles of the FreeDSP cable that you can not do with Moondrop app.​

This is a good review/video of the Dusk peq tuning capabilities

 

[IAtaman]

I think the blue line in your graph is Blessing 2 Dusk, not the new Dusk with 3.5 cable.
It should be this
https://hbb.squig.link/?share=Moondrop_Dusk,Dsp,Moon_Dusk_2_L

Yeah, you are probably right. Which one is the Dusk with 3.5mm?

 

[Doodski]

I like the sound of the Buds Pro, but I find it difficult to keep them in my ears, which is a bit of an issue when i'm trying to walk the dogs!

I got lucky and the larger size ear rubbers fit perfectly. I am so happy with them...

 

[mc.god]

Yeah, you are probably right. Which one is the Dusk with 3.5mm?

I think this is more reliable

 

[mc.god]

Just for fun...

 

[markanini]

Just for fun...

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[USER]

Any comparisons to the May from a reliable source? But, yeah, the difference with the Zero 2 is very likely inaudible for the vast majority of people, barring fit, etc..

 

[MacClintock]

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Moondrop x Crinacle DUSK

If you guys want a much cheaper wireless and Bluetooth alternative that to my ears is less likely to have bloaty bass, find some of the last remaining JBL Club Pro+s. These were Sean Olive's favorite ear buds a few years ago. They are fantastic and its funny to see that Harman got this right...

audiosciencereview.com

 

[MacClintock]

Any comparisons to the May from a reliable source? But, yeah, the difference with the Zero 2 is very likely inaudible for the vast majority of people, barring fit, etc..

What might be audible is the lack of the huge 14-15 kHz sting.

 

[CedarX]

I think this is more reliable
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Based on these graphs, I would expect the difference between Dusk-Analog and Dusk-DSP-Default to be very subtle at best, or pretty much inaudible…
But is this the correct conclusion?

Crinacle hinted that the FreeDSP cable allowed them to get this “last 5%” they couldn’t get with the base (“analog”) tuning. Does it mean these subtle 5% differences are more important than what they look on a FR graph?

Some controlled, blind comparisons between “DSP-Default” and “DSP-Zero” (no correction, equivalent to “analog”) would be interesting…

 

[staticV3]

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Based on these graphs, I would expect the difference between Dusk-Analog and Dusk-DSP-Default to be very subtle at best, or pretty much inaudible…
But is this the correct conclusion?

Crinacle hinted that the FreeDSP cable allowed them to get this “last 5%” they couldn’t get with the base (“analog”) tuning. Does it mean these subtle 5% differences are more important than what they look on a FR graph?

Some controlled, blind comparisons between “DSP-Default” and “DSP-Zero” (no correction, equivalent to “analog”) would be interesting…

Here's a better graph:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775596042236682533

The EQ is fairly audible in a direct A/B comparison.

If you'd like, you can use squig.link tools like the one below to upload a song, punch in the EQ parameters, then switch between EQ on and off as you listen to it: https://listener800.github.io/5128

 

[MacClintock]

Here's a better graph:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775596042236682533

The EQ is fairly audible in a direct A/B comparison.

If you'd like, you can use squig.link tools like the one below to upload a song, punch in the EQ parameters, then switch between EQ on and off as you listen to it: https://listener800.github.io/5128

Interesting, one year of crinsearch for this EQ... Also available with a regular cable for $25 (the IEM, not just the cable, that is), though:

 

[Chromatischism]

Based on these graphs, I would expect the difference between Dusk-Analog and Dusk-DSP-Default to be very subtle at best, or pretty much inaudible…
But is this the correct conclusion?

If those are accurate it looks pretty audible to me. I would easily hear the meatier sound of the DSP version vs the lighter analog. But you won't hear it with light jazz...you need the right material.