I am not sure you can correlate cause and effect for that case... Doesn't mean you are a bad person, but doesn't mean you are not...You mean, if you like something that doesn’t measure well you’re not a bad person?![]()
I am not sure you can correlate cause and effect for that case... Doesn't mean you are a bad person, but doesn't mean you are not...You mean, if you like something that doesn’t measure well you’re not a bad person?![]()
I agree - just because a speaker measures poorly does not mean that no one will enjoy it. The Heresy has been selling for many decades, longer than the vast majority of models even as it has seen incremental improvements.It's not voodoo mysterious stuff. Some peeps like them and that's a normal part of being different.
It's all the basis of reporting scientific procedure.
Presented evidence must be repeatable and verifiable or vs versa. LOL
When he uses the term opinion, no it's not science. Still the measurements are objective, so what's the point here? They're less than accurate speakers and the data backs up his opinion, whether he measures in his garage, or sacrifices a room in his home like this..
It is unfortunate this young fellow spent all that time doing his charts and graphs with a set up that was sub-optimal. It is also too bad for Klipsch, because when people pass off "science" as gospel, and when that "science" is based on the wrong assumptions or the wrong test set-up, it misleads others. All trained scientists know that before they start testing, they are required to "review the literature," to find out what others know, before they jump to hypothesis making or testing. Finding out what others know about the Heresy seems to have been missed in this case.
At least with regards to this question, we have an answer. The Klippel NFS has a mathematical way to calculate % error for a given frequency. I don't remember particular examples, but there have been a few where Amir has mentioned that there is sufficient % error above a certain frequency(ex: 10kHz) that the data shouldn't be fully trusted.How certain are you that the facts are true, and what is your basis for believing it? To make a claim, you must have a logical basis. Who can give one?
If you can present evidence that any of the measurements as done by the Klippel equipment are "fake" or that Erin hasFake science is as popular today as fake news. Especially if it's what some call "motivated science....."
I think you are on to it, Richard. I appreciate your thoughtful and professional reply. Reading though the manuals on the Klippel NFS they use "near field" measurements to develop a formula they can then estimate the accuracy of the speaker in a average listening environment at a normal "far field" distance. The "formula" used is a type of multivariate regression model. All regression models fall short of 100% accuracy in their ability to estimate, so it leaves us wondering what is missing.At least with regards to this question, we have an answer. The Klippel NFS has a mathematical way to calculate % error for a given frequency. I don't remember particular examples, but there have been a few where Amir has mentioned that there is sufficient % error above a certain frequency(ex: 10kHz) that the data shouldn't be fully trusted.
Name calling is a child's game. Your first two lines were much better.If you can present evidence that any of the measurements as done by the Klippel equipment are "fake" or that Erin has
fudged anything he presented do to "motivation" or are "fake" in any way, please present it.
Otherwise I would call a foul on your post, and present an opinion that you sir are FOS.![]()
No name calling was done, simply a reflection of you calling other peoples work "fake or motivated".Name calling is a child's game. Your first two lines were much better.
This statement is a little crazy. Because people have pointed out that they don't like the speakers and have factual evidence to back up why they don't like them they are lying? huh?The biggest liar here is the one who says here that these are bad speakers.
You have a sample size of three and because they come up ahead of two other speakers (in a field of thousands of speakers) you conclude your speakers are the bees knees... Again makes no sense.I confronted them in the same room with qacoustics at 6000 euros and especially with the famous kef ls 50 meta well rated here.
I will never exchange my heresy for these kef or qacoustics.
Gonna chalk this one up to a language barrier. Not sure what you are saying here.speakers are no longer loud as soon as you put them in an untreated living room.
We're talking headphones here...not really a comparison to loudspeakers. And just because a company purchases another companies product does not mean it is the best. There are other factors, mainly cost that are considered in this purchase. I'm sure they receive a particularly beneficial deal that helps to serve both side's bottom end (think sponsorship/free advertising).Bose equips your air force and Klipsch is present in Formula 1.
The Klipsch line has had a live sound quality to it for decades. If one prefers that then so be it. It does not make peeps that dislike them liars.I Saïd the liar IS the one who Saïd these are Bad speakers.
Not the one who Saïd that they are not high fidelity...
And of course, you can hate them
Cette déclaration est un peu folle. Parce que les gens ont souligné qu'ils n'aimaient pas les haut-parleurs et ont des preuves factuelles pour étayer pourquoi ils ne les aiment pas, ils mentent ? hein ?
Vous avez un échantillon de trois personnes et parce qu'elles arrivent en tête devant deux autres intervenants (dans un groupe de milliers d'intervenants), vous concluez que vos intervenants sont les meilleurs... Encore une fois, cela n'a aucun sens.
Je vais mettre ça sur le compte de la barrière de la langue. Je ne suis pas sûr de ce que tu dis là.
Nous parlons ici d'écouteurs... pas vraiment de comparaison avec des enceintes. Et ce n'est pas parce qu'une entreprise achète le produit d'une autre entreprise que celui-ci est forcément le meilleur. D'autres facteurs, notamment le coût, sont pris en compte dans cet achat. Je suis sûr qu'ils bénéficient d'un accord particulièrement avantageux qui contribue à servir les intérêts des deux parties (pensez au parrainage/à la publicité gratuite).
C'est bien que vous aimiez vos conférenciers sur l'hérésie, et j'ai également apprécié mes hérésies OG, mais ce n'est pas le bon groupe pour essayer de persuader ou d'appeler des menteurs pour suivre les données et écouter avec nos propres oreilles.
Please I repeat, ive never said that people who dislike klipsch heresy IV sound are liars.The Klipsch line has had a live sound quality to it for decades. If one prefers that then so be it. Ii does not make peeps that dislike them liars.
The KEF sound and the Klipsch sound are very different for me. I like both for different applications. The KEFs sound good on pretty much anything and due to me having decades of business dealings with KEF I am partial to KEF but the Klipsch sound I really enjoy for stuff like AC/DC, Deep Purple, The Who and other groups that have that live rocking loud sound.Please I repeat, ive never said that people who dislike klipsch heresy IV sound are liars.
I said that people who Say its a bad speaker are liars. Try them against kef ls50 in the same room, you will see. Its not night and day.
I was very surprised.
Honestly I though I will be punched in the head by the kef meta after their reviews.
I believe you and that is a H U G E change from some years ago when they where very very different.I repeat it was not night and day.
Having multiple pairs of speakers is really cool. I've had that luxury in the past and loved having them for various uses and different recordings that sound different.I mostly listen to indie rock, alternative rock and synth pop. But for listening to ambient or idm, I do prefer other speakers.
Lying implies intent to deceive. You may believe they are incorrect. That doesn’t make them liars.Please I repeat, ive never said that people who dislike klipsch heresy IV sound are liars.
I said that people who Say its a bad speaker are liars. Try them against kef ls50 in the same room, you will see. Its not night and day.
I was very surprised.
Honestly I thought I will be punched in the head by the kef meta after their reviews.