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KEF LS50 Meta Review (Speaker)

I've only heard the KEF LS50 meta, and LS60 briefly at a store.

But when a non-audiophile pal of mine was looking for a good sounding speaker I recommended a second-hand pair of the original LS50s that I saw for sale at a great price.

My friend has been super happy with these speakers. He's found them revelatory in terms of the type of sound he now enjoys at home.

Whenever I'm over, as I was last night, I listen to music on his LS50s and I have to say I really, really like the modern KEF sound! I grew up with KEF 105.2 speakers which were incredible. But something really grabs me about the latest KEF speakers. I don't have measurements to supply but everyone has seen them anyway, so just subjective impressions: I love the really clean, clear, open and airy quality of the KEF speakers, which also have some nice richness in the bass. But more than that, there is a particular timbre/tonal quality that I enjoy...they are timbrally "colourful" in the way they produce such smooth harmonic qualities in instruments and voices. I love listening to different gear, but I'm damned picky and there's few speakers I'd actually care to live with, and when I hear the KEF speakers I want to keep listening, so they are one of them.

BTW, I wonder if anyone else hears something: One trait that seems to always stick out a bit, if I had to pick nits, is a slight "metallic glaze" to the sound. Anything, vocals, a violin, piccalo, all have a very slight metallic tinge. Like a slight glazy shine is imparted to everything. Anyone else note the same? I actually don't mind it much, but it's never not there when I listen.
This metallic tinge might depend on your own preferences of loudspeaker sound, but can also be seen in the frequency response of the non meta ls50. So its probably an objective thing and something that makes the new Meta ls50 sound slightly better.

However, this can probably be resolved in a perfect way by using the transparent sounding PEQ of a WiiM pro in the digital domain. Good news for all of those using the old ls50.

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I've only heard the KEF LS50 meta, and LS60 briefly at a store.

But when a non-audiophile pal of mine was looking for a good sounding speaker I recommended a second-hand pair of the original LS50s that I saw for sale at a great price.

My friend has been super happy with these speakers. He's found them revelatory in terms of the type of sound he now enjoys at home.

Whenever I'm over, as I was last night, I listen to music on his LS50s and I have to say I really, really like the modern KEF sound! I grew up with KEF 105.2 speakers which were incredible. But something really grabs me about the latest KEF speakers. I don't have measurements to supply but everyone has seen them anyway, so just subjective impressions: I love the really clean, clear, open and airy quality of the KEF speakers, which also have some nice richness in the bass. But more than that, there is a particular timbre/tonal quality that I enjoy...they are timbrally "colourful" in the way they produce such smooth harmonic qualities in instruments and voices. I love listening to different gear, but I'm damned picky and there's few speakers I'd actually care to live with, and when I hear the KEF speakers I want to keep listening, so they are one of them.

BTW, I wonder if anyone else hears something: One trait that seems to always stick out a bit, if I had to pick nits, is a slight "metallic glaze" to the sound. Anything, vocals, a violin, piccalo, all have a very slight metallic tinge. Like a slight glazy shine is imparted to everything. Anyone else note the same? I actually don't mind it much, but it's never not there when I listen.
No.
Keith
 
No.
Keith
As you can see on the frequency response of the original ls50, the elevated level between 2 - 6 kHz is probably the reason for some issues in the sound ?
 
I've only heard the KEF LS50 meta, and LS60 briefly at a store.

But when a non-audiophile pal of mine was looking for a good sounding speaker I recommended a second-hand pair of the original LS50s that I saw for sale at a great price.

My friend has been super happy with these speakers. He's found them revelatory in terms of the type of sound he now enjoys at home.

Whenever I'm over, as I was last night, I listen to music on his LS50s and I have to say I really, really like the modern KEF sound! I grew up with KEF 105.2 speakers which were incredible. But something really grabs me about the latest KEF speakers. I don't have measurements to supply but everyone has seen them anyway, so just subjective impressions: I love the really clean, clear, open and airy quality of the KEF speakers, which also have some nice richness in the bass. But more than that, there is a particular timbre/tonal quality that I enjoy...they are timbrally "colourful" in the way they produce such smooth harmonic qualities in instruments and voices. I love listening to different gear, but I'm damned picky and there's few speakers I'd actually care to live with, and when I hear the KEF speakers I want to keep listening, so they are one of them

BTW, I wonder if anyone else hears something: One trait that seems to always stick out a bit, if I had to pick nits, is a slight "metallic glaze" to the sound. Anything, vocals, a violin, piccalo, all have a very slight metallic tinge. Like a slight glazy shine is imparted to everything. Anyone else note the same? I actually don't mind it much, but it's never not there when I listen.

Yes, I do hear what could be described as a “metallic glaze” with the LS-50 Metas. The only other speakers I’ve had in my room that also had this characteristic were the Focal Aria 906 and especially the Revel M126-BE. I’d describe it as a very high frequency resolution. I find it to be desirable. Certainly it’s a perception, which by nature is subjective.
 
As you can see on the frequency response of the original ls50, the elevated level between 2 - 6 kHz is probably the reason for some issues in the sound ?

I’m most familiar with the original LS50 where I find the metallic character distinct (though subtle). I haven’t spent good time with the Meta version KEFs, though I demoed the LS60 briefly and seems to remember noting it a bit there too (though was a crappy demo).
 
As you can see on the frequency response of the original ls50, the elevated level between 2 - 6 kHz is probably the reason for some issues in the sound ?
But coming from a vinyl guy, when the majority of cartridges have a bump in the same freq band, Keith is right. The answer is no. Maybe that's even the answer why he heard it. Bump from a cartridge and a bump from a speaker and you get the surgically precise reason why colored is a problem (even if you like colored, cause it's always colored + colored = too much color). In the end, this can even be addressed with toe-in/toe-out.
 
I’m most familiar with the original LS50 where I find the metallic character distinct (though subtle). I haven’t spent good time with the Meta version KEFs, though I demoed the LS60 briefly and seems to remember noting it a bit there too (though was a crappy demo).
I am almost certain I have bought every measurement led speaker available and compared them here perhaps the only exception being K&H as were.
Either all those speakers have a metallic ‘haze’ or you have just become used to something else.
Keith
 
I’m most familiar with the original LS50 where I find the metallic character distinct (though subtle). I haven’t spent good time with the Meta version KEFs, though I demoed the LS60 briefly and seems to remember noting it a bit there too (though was a crappy demo).
Do you hear the same thing with other waveguided tweeters that don't narrow strongly at the top end? I hear an extra metallic bite with tweeters that don't narrow, but it sounds correct to me, where tweeters that narrow sound slightly soft.
 
But coming from a vinyl guy, when the majority of cartridges have a bump in the same freq band, Keith is right. The answer is no.

I listen to digital in my system all the time. If your hypothesis was right, then when I switched to my vinyl it would sound more "metallic" to me. It doesn't.

I've also owned speakers with a bit of a bump in the highs, and listened to plenty elsewhere, which did not strike me as having the same metallic character. So I think your particular theory isn't the explanation.

I'm not making a claim that "the KEF sounds slightly metallic" in some objective sense, simply just that they leave that consistent impression to me. I note someone else here feels the same way, and it has been mentioned numerous times in other forums. I don't for a moment expect everyone to agree, but I was simply curious if anyone here had the same impression.

What could cause my impression? Well, it could be my imagination. Maybe I have some bias effect going on. Could it be maybe the KEF's metal drivers giving me some bias to hear slightly metallic sound? Could be. Though, both my speakers have metal drivers and I don't hear any such thing, nor on plenty of other speakers with exposed metal drivers. I don't hear it in, say, Revel speakers, Kii Audio speakers and many others.

If my impression is caused by some actual character of the speaker, maybe it just happens that the KEF has just the right little bit of dips and dives in the mid to upper frequencies, but also combined with otherwise a low distortion, clean sound, that causes this "smooth metallic glaze" timbral impression...to my ears. (And for some other listeners). I dunno.

I am almost certain I have bought every measurement led speaker available and compared them here perhaps the only exception being K&H as were.
Either all those speakers have a metallic ‘haze’ or you have just become used to something else.

That's a false dichotomy, and doesn't fit well with my experience. See above.

Also, as I've said I'm most familiar with hearing this character in the original LS50. I doubt that every measurement-led speaker you've tried measured or sounded precisely like the LS50. Do you remember Amir's review?

 
Well if other people on the internet have agreed it must be true and yes metal drivers sound metallic, silly me.
Keith
 
Well if other people on the internet have agreed it must be true and yes metal drivers sound metallic, silly me.
Keith

Is that supposed to be relevant to what I actually wrote in my reply?:facepalm:
 
Digital glare now metallic haze.
Honestly, I read enough of that tosh on every other audio forum, please not here.
Keith
 
Digital glare now metallic haze.
Honestly, I read enough of that tosh on every other audio forum, please not here.
Keith

Yeah, as is often the case you aren't really responding to anything I wrote, with context. I'm sorry you find yourself triggered by any subjective descriptions. You'd have a melt-down if you tried to work in music/sound production! If you ask the musician why he preferred the sound of one acoustic guitar over the other for a track and like any musician he used subjective descriptions, would you say "I'm not capable of understanding that tosh, give it to me in measurements?" How long do you think you'd have a job?

Sound has a subjective character. That's the point of caring about it. Since you'll still encounter subjective language even here sometimes, you'll have to find a way to deal with it.
 
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I personally find that speakers measuring well these days sound very similar, and it represents a concerted effort to spot differences. And I am pretty sure over time I could adjust to the sound of any of them. :-D Not always to the looks, though!
 
Do you hear the same thing with other waveguided tweeters that don't narrow strongly at the top end? I hear an extra metallic bite with tweeters that don't narrow, but it sounds correct to me, where tweeters that narrow sound slightly soft.

I'm not sure. My Thiel speakers are coax: metal dome tweeter set in an aluminum midrange (though actually the mid is a corrugated flat profile). No metallic character that I hear. It seems clear from Amir's LS50 measurements that there's enough deviations to create some sort of non-neutral character to the LS50 sound. If that (and perhaps combined with the sum total of the speaker's behaviour) is the cause of what I hear, whether that comes off as "metallic" sounding is I guess listener-dependant.

As far back as the 90's, when I got back heavily in to high end audio, I was disabused of the idea that metal drivers themselves impart a "metallic" sound. Especially if driver ringing is well suppressed, I see no reason to think the driver will have a "sound." Though, I could be wrong and might be missing something. But as you suggest, if anything is causing the impression it's likely to be some combination of frequency response/dispersion characteristics. (Again, perhaps combined with other characteristics).
 
I'm not sure. My Thiel speakers are coax: metal dome tweeter set in an aluminum midrange (though actually the mid is a corrugated flat profile). No metallic character that I hear. It seems clear from Amir's LS50 measurements that there's enough deviations to create some sort of non-neutral character to the LS50 sound. If that (and perhaps combined with the sum total of the speaker's behaviour) is the cause of what I hear, whether that comes off as "metallic" sounding is I guess listener-dependant.

As far back as the 90's, when I got back heavily in to high end audio, I was disabused of the idea that metal drivers themselves impart a "metallic" sound. Especially if driver ringing is well suppressed, I see no reason to think the driver will have a "sound." Though, I could be wrong and might be missing something. But as you suggest, if anything is causing the impression it's likely to be some combination of frequency response/dispersion characteristics. (Again, perhaps combined with other characteristics).
Many high end tweeters (and often also woofers) are made of some metallic or otherwise specially treated compound, whether they call it diamond or berrylium or whatever else. But then again, there are highly acclaimed speakers with ("specially treated") "paper" cones in either role, too. Having listened to many, they can all sound great, and the end result is more of a function of the audio tuning rather than the material.

I know you like the power of metaphors to describe your listening experience, and if I grant that right to poets and wine tasters and art critics, hey, I grant it to you. To me however, the connotation of a "metallic sound" is some hammer on a strong metal, which isn't a pleasant sound. Give me "metallic" sound and I give you "gear return" on the spot. :)

Personally, if they make a better sounding tweeter or woofer out of cow manure, I could not care less (sans the odor of course :-D). Just make it work, and deliver on a well measuring speaker, and hey, let's have some fun. Manufacturers now make a big deal of the material... but the measurements tell the story. It's often about what DRIVES said woofers or tweeters, from amp end-stage to cross-over in the speaker. It's about bringing the BALANCED best out of the woofers or tweeters. If the material improves on that linearity, hey, great - but it should be totally seamless, without instilling a "material flavor" into it.

Since we are discussing this under the LS50 banner, there have been heated discussions about the LS50 generations and how relevant the audible difference is. Maybe there are people who definitely hear a 1.5dB difference somewhere in the audio spectrum (and there are a lot of measurement charts on either speaker on the internet), and I respect that superior hearing ability wherever present. But to me the funny part is when you disagree to the point of hateful anachronism despite the fact you enjoy the exact same character in sound, perhaps separated by 1dB or two at most over a very limited frequency range. But such is the nature of the audio hobby - it seems disagreement about that ultimate 1% in resolution results in religiously polarized disagreement. :)

Maybe I am the only one that enjoys music while not maniacially and constantly listening to that utimate 1% in ultimate resolution and SINAD and what not, rewinding tunes constantly to do blind ABC tests all day! Am I? :)

I like gear as much as the next person, but ultimately I like to chill and enjoy music far more, and when it is good enough - it's heavenly enough.
 
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I personally find that speakers measuring well these days sound very similar, and it represents a concerted effort to spot differences. And I am pretty sure over time I could adjust to the sound of any of them. :-D Not always to the looks, though!
That was my impression through my auditions last time around. Three of the ten or so speakers I auditioned were immediate rejects (probably due to showroom treble) and the rest sounded pretty good.
 
That was my impression through my auditions last time around. Three of the ten or so speakers I auditioned were immediate rejects (probably due to showroom treble) and the rest sounded pretty good.
Thanks for summing it up perfectly.
Audio discussions sometimes remind me of the joke about Leibniz and Democritus arguing about monads vs atoms. :-D
 
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