Genelec 8351b with 2x 7370 vs Sopra No2 vs Atc 50 ASL

[dfuller]

Isn't this louder?
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No, that's peak. The max long-term (i.e. continuous) is 109dB SPL.

You write they are not passive speakers in studio.?

Correct, ATCs in studios are almost all actives. Look at their pro line - there are like 2 speakers that are passive and they're the SCM12 and SCM20 (which also has an active version). All the "big boy" ATCs are active.

When you have atc fans in a subject, you are in the fourth dimension. The genelec 83...can be flushed with the box made for and made by Genelec.
https://www.genelec.com/accessories/8351-450b-flush-mount-kit

Yes, that's an extra $850 for a pair of speakers and it still doesn't take care of the rear port.

God Floyd Toole give 30° is the minimum. My kh420 have 80°.
Strange world the atc world.

Uh... You sure about that one? Neumann's own specs show about 20 degrees vertically. Note, vertically, not horizontally.

 

[Inner Space]

When you have atc fans in a subject, you are in the fourth dimension.

I'm not particularly an ATC fan. But I am a reality fan. I worked thousands of hours with ATCs, and they did the job just fine. I have seen plenty of music enthusiastically recommended here that I know for sure was mixed on ATCs. Folks seem to like the results, whatever they say in public.

 

[Chrise36]

Because every measured parameter is better.
Keith

As people stated for some the parameters measured are less significant just because they like the sound of the ATC.

 

[Purité Audio]

Ultimately you must choose what you like, even if they aren’t the ultimate in transparency.
Keith

 

[Chrise36]

I'm not particularly an ATC fan. But I am a reality fan. I worked thousands of hours with ATCs, and they did the job just fine. I have seen plenty of music enthusiastically recommended here that I know for sure was mixed on ATCs. Folks seem to like the results, whatever they say in public.

Can you name a few tracks?

 

[Pearljam5000]

No, that's peak. The max long-term (i.e. continuous) is 109dB SPL.



Correct, ATCs in studios are almost all actives. Look at their pro line - there are like 2 speakers that are passive and they're the SCM12 and SCM20 (which also has an active version). All the "big boy" ATCs are active.



Yes, that's an extra $850 for a pair of speakers and it still doesn't take care of the rear port.



Uh... You sure about that one? Neumann's own specs show about 20 degrees vertically. Note, vertically, not horizontally.

i guess the 1237A is more comparable

 

[DSJR]

You know, I'd LOVE to properly hear some Genelecs, but these aren't available domestically as far as I know so no easy chance to hear them. The Kii's surprised me in a very positive way and I'd like to hear more. ATC have been available domestically for well over thirty years now, so forgive me for going on about them as I do. PMC's domestic fare are a very different kettle of fish too - not the same at all.

 

[dfuller]

View attachment 133753i guess the 1237A is more comparableView attachment 133754

The 1237 is right in the same price range at about $12,000 a pair, and is definitely a midfield design. So yes, roughly comparable.

 

[Pearljam5000]

The 1237 is right in the same price range at about $12,000 a pair, and is definitely a midfield design. So yes, roughly comparable.

Well the 1237A is about 6,000$ cheaper

 

[q3cpma]

Well the 1237A is about 6,000$ cheaper View attachment 133760

I honestly doubt their tweeter can match the quite loaded compression driver in the 1237/8A and that their legendary midrange can actually match Genelec's in-house one that can do

The day Neumann updates their KH420A to get DSP and maybe some incremental driver advances, things will get very interesting.

 

[Inner Space]

Can you name a few tracks?

Last one I recall was London Grammar's 2017 release - I recall someone calling it "bloody lovely, reference quality tracks.

 

[Ron Texas]

For this kind of money I would get Revel 226Be's and subs or 228Be without subs for simplicity. There is a disconnect on this board because Revel and JBL are so expensive in Europe while Genelec and some others are very expensive in the US.

What bothers me about Genelec is the are a few members here who have placed this brand on a pedestal. I keep seeing comments like the 8351 is nearfield or they don't disappear the way Revel's do which make me wonder about their suitability for home systems, especially at the high prices.

It's true they measure great out of the box because of how the DSP is set up, 708P's cost half as much and 5 minutes with their built in DSP will work wonders and they play loud.

 

[Chrise36]

Last one I recall was London Grammar's 2017 release - I recall someone calling it "bloody lovely, reference quality tracks.

Quite nice recording even on Tidal "HIFI" thanks!

 

[Chrise36]

Regarding active vs passive the passive has better measurements actually while the D&D 8c has much higher:

And the Kii three:

Genelec 8351b

 

[Senior NEET Engineer]

For this kind of money I would get Revel 226Be's and subs or 228Be without subs for simplicity. There is a disconnect on this board because Revel and JBL are so expensive in Europe while Genelec and some others are very expensive in the US.

What bothers me about Genelec is the are a few members here who have placed this brand on a pedestal. I keep seeing comments like the 8351 is nearfield or they don't disappear the way Revel's do which make me wonder about their suitability for home systems, especially at the high prices.

It's true they measure great out of the box because of how the DSP is set up, 708P's cost half as much and 5 minutes with their built in DSP will work wonders and they play loud.

Or LS50 for 1/4 the price of 708P

 

[Ron Texas]

Or LS50 for 1/4 the price of 708P

I am one of the more visible LS50 owners around here. With subs they really sing, but that costs, and integration has been a PITA. Fortunately, nirvana has arrived and I can spend my money on bar tabs instead.

 

[Frgirard]

Or LS50 for 1/4 the price of 708P

The ls50 have a 8 pouces, a horn, an active crossover and a power amp?

No.

 

[Ron Texas]

The ls50 have a 8 pouces, a horn, an active crossover and a power amp?

What's a pouce? There's nothing golden about an active crossover or power amp. The JBL LSR 305 delivers that for a pittance. They're nice, but have their limits. What bothers me is the 8351's have too many limitations for $8k per pair as noted by people who have been able to listen to them for a while. They might be great in a studio, but I don't have a studio,

 

[stevenswall]

Not sure if Focal or ATC have something like this, but useful for the Genelecs. Add half a dozen more DB if I recall correctly since you are adding a pair of subs with the Genelecs. Top is short term output, bottom is long term output. Might be worth getting an SPL meter to see how loud you listen now, and deciding if more volume is needed.

 

[Frgirard]

What's a pouce? There's nothing golden about an active crossover or power amp. The JBL LSR 305 delivers that for a pittance. They're nice, but have their limits. What bothers me is the 8351's have too many limitations for $8k per pair as noted by people who have been able to listen to them for a while. They might be great in a studio, but I don't have a studio,

If you don't know what a pouce, what do you here?
Two jbl 305 haven't the same response.
Pouce?