Genelec 8351b with 2x 7370 vs Sopra No2 vs Atc 50 ASL

[dfuller]

He says the actives sound better, but i Only trust my ears and they do sound better in the video.

Okay honestly I am seriously surprised there was as much of a difference as there was. The passives sounded very laid back by comparison. I wonder why this is?

 

[AudioJester]

Iam another one who is enamoured by the techological brilliance of the kii3 and D&D. However, after many listening sessions I would still pick ATC for my own use.

Other cheaper options are the dynaudio xd series and the Buchardt actives.

 

[tw99]

Okay honestly I am seriously surprised there was as much of a difference as there was. The passives sounded very laid back by comparison. I wonder why this is?

He explains at the beginning that the recording setup wasn’t guaranteed to be identical as it was done weeks apart, and he also mentioned he’s using Dirac with a different set of measurements for each speaker. That could certainly make a very big difference to how they sound! There's also no information on what level matching he did.

His contention is that the video reflects his original listening experience, but if the Mic was say a centimetre or two out of place, and also Dirac is doing something different by a dB or so here and there, that can account for a lot.

Having said that, I'm sure it's possible that there are audible differences between the two flavours.

 

[Cadguy]

In this video Ben Lilly from ATC mentions that a small number of people may prefer the passive ATCs because they're "less revealing" and "smooth the edges" of lesser recordings. (he says this at the 18.00 minute mark).

 

[Frgirard]

In this video Ben Lilly from ATC mentions that a small number of people may prefer the passive ATCs because they're "less revealing" and "smooth the edges" of lesser recordings. (he says this at the 18.00 minute mark).

This is the reason for why in mastering studio the hifi passive speakers are more used.
This is the reason for why the passive NS10 invaded the consol of the galaxy.


The atc guy better brag about the rosewood or the cd players sold at the price of the Paladium.

He should study a Infinity p360.

 

[dfuller]

This is the reason for why in mastering studio the hifi passive speakers are more used.
This is the reason for why the passive NS10 invaded the consol of the galaxy.

Not really. Most mastering studios I've been to that use ATCs use the actives. Active vs passive in mastering is a taste thing but ATCs are generally not passive.

As far as NS10s, they're grotboxes. Nobody expects them to be super flat and wide range, because they're quite audibly not.

 

[Pearljam5000]

How is this better than the 8361A that costs half?

 

[dfuller]

How is this better than the 8361A that costs half?

Few things...
1, they can be flush mounted because of the front port. This is a useful thing in a large studio which is the use case for these.
2, they go louder. 115dB/1m continuous per speaker is truly monstrously loud (and this makes sense, as they are midfield designs rather than nearfields).
3, ATCs have a very long reputation for being damn near indestructible - drivers and amplifiers both. The Ones haven't been around that long and their long-term reliability track record is not known (this is not to suggest they're unreliable, but rather that they're a newish product).

 

[Chrise36]

How is this better than the 8361A that costs half?
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The question can be reversed why is the 8361 better than this? The price is high because the studios can afford them.

 

[Purité Audio]

Because every measured parameter is better.
Keith

 

[Frgirard]

10 degrees for the vertical directivity, We must not move.

And the measurements where are they?

 

[Frgirard]

Not really. Most mastering studios I've been to that use ATCs use the actives. Active vs passive in mastering is a taste thing but ATCs are generally not passive.

As far as NS10s, they're grotboxes. Nobody expects them to be super flat and wide range, because they're quite audibly not.

Not really B&w in abbey road, amphion,revel, Yamaha ns1000... and the better speakers in the universe the JBL LSR 32 OR LSR 6332, classical labels...

Atc as B&W make great discounts.

 

[dfuller]

10 degrees for the vertical directivity, We must not move.

+/-10 degrees is ATC understating it. They state that for everything and it's really more like +/-20 degrees in 3rd party tests (which is about average for a non-coax design).

Not really B&w in abbey road, amphion,revel... and the better speakers in the universe the JBL LSR 32 OR LSR 6332, classical labels.

Atc as B&W make great discounts.

Not sure what Amphion, B&W, JBL, or Revel have to do with studio ATCs almost always being the active ones???

 

[Inner Space]

10 degrees for the vertical directivity, We must not move.

10 degrees vertical is fine for a midfield or farfield monitor. You're sitting in a chair all day, not playing basketball.

 

[Inner Space]

Not sure what Amphion, B&W, JBL, or Revel have to do with studio ATCs almost always being the active ones???

Confirmed - I have never seen a passive ATC in a studio. My only problem was (with my usual old-guy somewhat out of date caveat) is that the cone doping used to be a bit inconsistent. I assume it was done by hand, at least back in the day.

 

[Frgirard]

+/-10 degrees is ATC understating it. They state that for everything and it's really more like +/-20 degrees in 3rd party tests (which is about average for a non-coax design).


Not sure what Amphion, B&W, JBL, or Revel have to do with studio ATCs almost always being the active ones???

You write they are not passive speakers in studio.?

 

[Frgirard]

Confirmed - I have never seen a passive ATC in a studio. My only problem was (with my usual old-guy somewhat out of date caveat) is that the cone doping used to be a bit inconsistent. I assume it was done by hand, at least back in the day.

They are bad. Luckily.

 

[Frgirard]

10 degrees vertical is fine for a midfield or farfield monitor. You're sitting in a chair all day, not playing basketball.

God Floyd Toole give 30° is the minimum. My kh420 have 80°.
Strange world the atc world.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Few things...
1, they can be flush mounted because of the front port. This is a useful thing in a large studio which is the use case for these.
2, they go louder. 115dB/1m continuous per speaker is truly monstrously loud (and this makes sense, as they are midfield designs rather than nearfields).
3, ATCs have a very long reputation for being damn near indestructible - drivers and amplifiers both. The Ones haven't been around that long and their long-term reliability track record is not known (this is not to suggest they're unreliable, but rather that they're a newish product).

Isn't this louder?

 

[Frgirard]

When you have atc fans in a subject, you are in the fourth dimension. The genelec 83...can be flushed with the box made for and made by Genelec.
https://www.genelec.com/accessories/8351-450b-flush-mount-kit